This historic fact is not allowed on the main pages of http://en.wikipedia.org/ Ustaše (Uprisers) - nickname for Croatian soldiers that drove out the Turks from Croatia in the years from 1683 to 1689. [1] former Uskoks. Commanders of the southern soldiers based in Dalmatia (1683) where Prince Franjo Posedarski, Prince Jerko Rukavina, Dujan Kovačević, Ilija Smiljanić, Šimun Bartolac and Stojan Janković (former muslim) Commanders of the northern soldiers based in Ogulin (1685) where Baron Franjo Oršić, Baron Stjepan Vojnović, Baron Ivan Gusić and Count Adam Purgstall.[2] The Ustasa army numbered several thousand soldiers that later settled with there families in the Lika and Krbava region of Croatia and are all found by name age and rank in the Census of Lika and Krbava in 1712.[3]
1. Radoslav Lopašić - DVA HRVATSKA JUNAKA: Marko Mesić i Luka Ibrišimović (Zagreb 1888) p 35.
2. Dragutin Hirca - LIKA I PLITVIČKA JEZERA (Zagreb 1900) p 66
3. Karl Kaser - POPIS LIKE I KRBAVE 1712. GODINE (Zagreb 2003) p 51-374
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censure wrote:
This historic fact is not allowed on the main pages of http://en.wikipedia.org/ Ustaše (Uprisers) - nickname for Croatian soldiers that drove out the Turks from Croatia in the years from 1683 to 1689. [1] former Uskoks. Commanders of the southern soldiers based in Dalmatia (1683) where Prince Franjo Posedarski, Prince Jerko Rukavina, Dujan Kovačević, Ilija Smiljanić, Šimun Bartolac and Stojan Janković (former muslim) Commanders of the northern soldiers based in Ogulin (1685) where Baron Franjo Oršić, Baron Stjepan Vojnović, Baron Ivan Gusić and Count Adam Purgstall.[2] The Ustasa army numbered several thousand soldiers that later settled with there families in the Lika and Krbava region of Croatia and are all found by name age and rank in the Census of Lika and Krbava in 1712.[3]
- Radoslav Lopašić - DVA HRVATSKA JUNAKA: Marko Mesić i Luka Ibrišimović
(Zagreb 1888) p 35.
Dragutin Hirca - LIKA I PLITVIČKA JEZERA (Zagreb 1900) p 66
Karl Kaser - POPIS LIKE I KRBAVE 1712. GODINE (Zagreb 2003) p 51-374
I am constantly deleted and blocked from editing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ustase by,
- User: Spylab
- User: Rjecina
- User: Kirker
- User: Kuru
- User: laughing man WikiProject Serbia.
- User: Steel359
This controversy seems to have more heat than light. Those of us who are not familiar with the politics of the region do not have the background in the topic to be able to comment meaningfully about the topic. It seems that you are trying to talk about the origin of the name "Ustase", and you would do better to put your additions in those terms, and not to put it in the very first paragraph of the article which is really intended to just identify the topic for the reader.
The article itself is not about the 17th century group, but perhaps that earlier group deserves its own separate article.
Ec
I think you mistake the idea of what Free means on Wikipedia.
Free refers to what you can do with the encyclopedia, it's free as in open source, you can make, share and reuse any of the content, pretty much, and it costs you nothing. The actual project isn't "Free" as in Free Speech. We don't let you put anything and everything on there, so no articles on your pet, your favourite teacher and so on. That stretches to political stuff, you don't get to post anything you want and in any manner you wish, it has to be as neutral as possible and as reliable as possible. Given I've not looked at this issue in any great detail, I'm not going to go much further, but freedom of speech on Wikipedia only extends to the creation of a fair and balanced article, no more, no less. We don't leave out unpleasent stuff and we don't include heavily biased stuff.
On 02/10/2007, censure aw.dat@gmx.net wrote:
This historic fact is not allowed on the main pages of http://en.wikipedia.org/ Ustaše (Uprisers) - nickname for Croatian soldiers that drove out the Turks from Croatia in the years from 1683 to 1689. [1] former Uskoks. Commanders of the southern soldiers based in Dalmatia (1683) where Prince Franjo Posedarski, Prince Jerko Rukavina, Dujan Kovačević, Ilija Smiljanić, Šimun Bartolac and Stojan Janković (former muslim) Commanders of the northern soldiers based in Ogulin (1685) where Baron Franjo Oršić, Baron Stjepan Vojnović, Baron Ivan Gusić and Count Adam Purgstall.[2] The Ustasa army numbered several thousand soldiers that later settled with there families in the Lika and Krbava region of Croatia and are all found by name age and rank in the Census of Lika and Krbava in 1712.[3]
- Radoslav Lopašić - DVA HRVATSKA JUNAKA: Marko Mesić i Luka Ibrišimović
(Zagreb 1888) p 35.
Dragutin Hirca - LIKA I PLITVIČKA JEZERA (Zagreb 1900) p 66
Karl Kaser - POPIS LIKE I KRBAVE 1712. GODINE (Zagreb 2003) p 51-374
I am constantly deleted and blocked from editing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ustase by,
User: Spylab
User: Rjecina
User: Kirker
User: Kuru
User: laughing man WikiProject Serbia.
User: Steel359
This is NO free Encyclopedia !
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