-----Original Message----- From: Erik Moeller [mailto:erik@wikimedia.org] Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2007 01:33 PM To: fredbaud@waterwiki.info, 'English Wikipedia' Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: Opt Out for Not So Notable Biographies
On 4/8/07, Fred Bauder fredbaud@waterwiki.info wrote:
Not so notable is the rough dividing line between public figures and those who are not. George W. Bush is a public figure as as most of those who regularly appear in the media. Those whose doings are not ordinarily covered by the media are not public figures, although something interesting may have happened to them and there has been spot coverage.
This is all very vague ("the media") and would IMHO lead to a loss of useful biographies of scientists, authors, inventors, and other individuals who are not celebrities, but whose work is continuous and relevant.
I think if one wants to institute such a policy, a good test would be whether the person's notability is the result of a _continuing_ record of activities (which are verifiable), rather than a singular event.
Incidentally, a person like Daniel Brandt (who has been covered throughout the years for his activism) meets that criterion, whereas someone like Brian Peppers (who is notable only because of an Internet phenomenon) does not.
We do not lose much if we give up articles about the occasional media sensation and Internet meme. We do lose an awful lot if we allow everyone who is not a media figure to delete themselves. -- Peace & Love, Erik
How many of the scientists, authors, inventors, and other individuals who are not celebrities, but whose work is continuous and relevant would opt out? I expect very few would. Those who would, would be those who notability is based on some kind of sensation, like [[John and Lorena Bobbit]], an excellent example of the pernicious effect of spot media coverage of non-notable figures.
Fred
On 08/04/07, Fred Bauder fredbaud@waterwiki.info wrote:
How many of the scientists, authors, inventors, and other individuals who are not celebrities, but whose work is continuous and relevant would opt out? I expect very few would. Those who would, would be those who notability is based on some kind of sensation, like [[John and Lorena Bobbit]], an excellent example of the pernicious effect of spot media coverage of non-notable figures.
OTRS gets not a few requests like this.
Leaving aside those who want their article deleted because someone's using it as a scandal sheet, the usual "please delete this, I'm not notable" request is anecdotally... hum, junior academics, mostly, the odd writer who's turned a couple of mid-range books, a minor artist or two. Only once did I see a really significant academic request it (a very modest and private man, one assumes) - not a Nobel laureate, but certainly in the top layer of his field.
(I don't know what we did with that request)