That does not mean whole schools districts, isp, public library computer ip,
etc will get blocked. Only the IP in question will be block for a short
amount of time.
On 10/18/05, Fl Celloguy <flcelloguy(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
The proposal would
indubitably mean the blocking
(using this logged-in only registration) of most AOL
IPs, Netscape IPs,
school districts, public-use computers, and major
corporations.
And how is this wrong?
What's wrong with not letting the 25 million + AOL users not edit
anonymously? I thought the whole point of Wikipedia was that anyone could
edit - this has already been discussed extensively on the Village Pump,
and
this is taking us one step closer to the precipice of not letting
anonymous
users edit. We don't want to stop anonymous editing for a significant
portion of users.
By only
allowing logged-in users on these IPs (since it
is
inevitable that all of
them would either be blocked indefinitely or blocked
consistently),
This is not the case -- editors far outnumber vandals.
This would simply force editors who have 1) previously
been unlogged in and 2) happen to be on a IP used by
vandals, to register and log in. Whats wrong with
that?
What's wrong with that? I repeat, Wikipedia should let *anyone* edit. Just
because someone uses AOL doesn't mean s/he should have to register and
create an account to edit. We're "forcing" users, to quote from you, to
register when the whole point of Wikipedia is that you don't need to
register to edit.
opinion, is against the spirit of the Wiki -
we're
here to allow *anyone* to
edit, not just those who want to create accounts.
Bah. This affects only vandal IPs, which are fewer
than larger. Logging in doesnt (necessarily)
compromise anonymity -- not unless there is some
unprincipled turning over of user logs to third
parties. In fact, logging in offers more anonymity,
wheras an IP address is in fact an identifier. Using
dynamic IPs for anonymity is just a defacto method to
increase anonymity -- it does not in fact *provide
such.
I've never said anything about anonymity, and that's the issue here. The
issue is whether to block IP editing for a significant portion of the
global
internet users. Also, what do you mean that this only affects vandal IPs?
A
large number of our contributors here - regardless of registered or not -
use AOL, and this would severely curtail (in fact, eliminate) editting
without logging in/registered - which is, as I repeat, against the spirit
of
Wikipedia IMO. If it was our intent to stop all vandalism, I'm sure that
all
anonymous editing would have been stopped by now; however, this has been
soundly rejected multiple times.
This blocking
policy proposal would take
us one step closer to not allowing any anonymous
editing - AOL, school
districts, and public-use computers comprise a large
amount of our editing,
and many are valuable editors and contributors that
we may lose if this
policy is implemented.
Bah. Your rant simply repeats a lot of the same claims
and fears without basing them in substance. If youre
just worried that range blocks would become used too
routinely, then thats a concern to address later
--when such actually becomes a problem.
I'm not worried about the range blocks/ blocks of AOL IP. I think other
people are, which is one of the pros of this blocking proposal - logged in
users could still edit on AOL even though the IP is blocked. All I'm
saying
is that there are way too many cons in this proposal, IMO, compared to
only
a small benefit (allowing current contributors who use AOL to edit while
AOL
IPs are blocked). I"m offering an alternate solution - use blocks on
shared
IPs such as AOL IPs with more caution, and we should be fine.
In my opinion, I think my "rant" already has a lot of substance - I didn't
fill up a whole darn email for nothing. :-) And that's exactly my point -
that this blocking proposal would be detrimental to Wikipedia. I urge you
all to consider the long-term effects of this. Thanks.
Flcelloguy
From Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia.
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