Paul Vogel wrote:
"Paul Vogel wrote: a bunch of hysterics"
Paul Vogel wrote a "bunch of hysterics"? or an ilk of
lying hypocrites have, David, in a bigoted attempt to
have me BANNED, BLOCKED, and CENSORED????
"Paul, I advise you to cease your campaign of flooding
the mailing list with your complaints."
I advise you to cease your "personal insults" of
"hysterics", David.
I'm sorry if you were insulted by my use of the word "hysterics" but
your messages did seem to me to be characterized by overwhelming
emotional excess. Please note however, that I didn't call you
"hysterical". I simply characterized your complaints as "hysterics".
"They are inappropriately offensive and this list
is an inappropriate place to engage in such
arguments."
It is offensive and inappropriate for you to defend
any such ilks censorship,lying hypocrisy, and selfish
bigotry, David.
Perhaps it is offensive or inappropriate of me to defend "ilks
censorship", whatever that is, but that doesn't change the fact that
your behavior was inappropriate and I don't see any evidence on your
part to acknowledge that you are behaving inappropriately. This is about
you, not me.
"If you have complaints about how you or your
ideas
are being treated, I invite you to follow the
procedures outlined in
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution".
I already had, and they fell on deaf ears, David.
Your request for arbitration is still active. Once four arbitrators
approve hearing the case, then the case will move forward into
arbitration. This part of dispute resolution does not move quickly, so I
advise you to be calm and patient while the matter is in arbitration.
"The postings you have made to the mailing list
today
are not likely to be looked kindly upon by the members
of the arbitration committee if
your case should appear before them."
Only if they themselves are bigots, and do refuse to
see the factual evidence that is made available to
them, David.
Calling people names and making other ad hominem attacks is
inappropriate. Your postings to the mailing list today contained such
attacks in violation of Wikipedia policy. Those are facts that the
arbitrators will consider.
"I would like to point out to you that there have
been
previous instances when exteremly upset Wikipedians
have gone on posting rampages making
wild accusations on the mailing list, as you have."
I am sure that this has happened before, with other
innocent victims, and also with some well and with
some deserving "Trolls" and "Vandals", which I am NOT,
David.
I have not accused you of being a troll or vandal. I am just pointing
out that your behavior on the mailing list is in violation of Wikipedia
policy and you may be subject to sanctions such as banning as a result
of your behavior. Your beliefs and ideas that you want to include on
Wikipedia are not in question here. In fact, I have no idea what they
are as I haven't investigated this dispute at all except for reading
your inappropriate postings to the mailing list.
"All those users have either left Wikipedia or
ended
up permanently banned."
Indeed.
Do NOT throw out the good with the bad, as I do
actually suspect has really happened here and as often
as NOT, David.
We here at Wikipedia believe that in order to participate here, you have
to follow our guidelines and policies for behavior. If you fail to do
so, you will be subject to sanctions. This information is very clearly
stated on many pages on Wikipedia.
"If you have any interest at all in continuing
to
contribute to Wikipedia, I suggest you
start behaving within the policies and guidelines for
behavior set by Wikipedia, EVEN IF you believe that
others are not obeying the policies."
NO.
Either EVERYONE is TREATED EQUALLY, without
DOUBLE-STANDARDS, with those POLICIES, or this WIKI
PROJECT is being run by CENSOROUS and HYPOCRITICAL
LIARS and POV BIGOTS, David.
This is a false dichotomy. There are many alternate possibilities. Also,
again, this screaming and personal attacks are inappropriate. I am sorry
you feel that Wikipedia is not well-run, but do you really believe that
screaming on the mailing list is going to change any of that?
"Two wrongs do not make a right."
Then support the rights, and NOT the WRONGS, David.
BE a REAL MAN!
I'm not supporting or rejecting anything. All I've done is point out to
you that your behavior is unacceptable. It doesn't matter to me what
anyone else did to make you behave this way. The only question here that
I am considering is your behavior on the mailing list. I am trying to
maintain civility here on the mailing list and you are compromising that
civility with your name-calling. Let me be clear: I don't have an issue
with you, I have an issue with your behavior.
"Finally, since you seem to have totally flown
off the
handle, I expect you are unlikely to do any of what I
ask."
Indeed. You first, David. Lead by example.
I'm not the one SCREAMING and calling people names, you are.
"Don't be surprised, then, when people treat
you
abusively in response to your treating them
abusively."
Indeed, but, you do always forget that it has been the
other way around, David.
Your own pov bias and lying hypocrisy is showing.
The only matter that I have made any statement concerning is your
behavior. Perhaps your claim of my being biased and hypocritical might
hold some weight if there were another campaign of complaints being made
to the mailing list that I was ignoring in favor of focusing on you. I
see no other such campaign; therefore your accusations of bias and
hypocrisy are unfounded.
I would like to add that the Wikipedia community is very forgiving.
However, forgiveness is only shown to those who show remorse for their
actions. No matter who you are, if you fail to follow the policies, then
you will be subject to sanctions. You have already admitted that you
have attempted to elude those sanctions, which is also a violation of
policy, regardless of whether the sanctions were applied appropriately
or not. You are not above the rules here. Everyone is subject to them.
Unless you start now and show that you're willing to follow the policies
and obey the rules, you should expect to be punished for your violations.
You need to cease your inappropriate behavior, apologize, and promise
that it won't happen again. You also need to promise that you will,
starting now, obey all the rules and policies of Wikipedia. You should
be a "REAL MAN" and start the healing process by being the first to
admit your wrongs.
Finally, I have made the fourth agreement to hear your case, so your
case is officially in arbitration now. I suggest you make your case on
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Paul_Vogel>
and place evidence on
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Paul_Vogel/evidence>
and the arbitrators will hear your case.
- David