Whoops! Looks like somebody didn't like the truth told of them, they booted me off the list for speaking truth to power.
You wanted abuse of power? There you have it JT.
Seems to happen a lot around here and on Wikipedia. Speak truth to the circle-jerk of power mad fools known as Admins, get booted.
Ambi is the Red Queen of arbcom - running around like a complete fat fool, screaming "Orf Wiv is 'ead" whenever a case comes before her. She gets some sadistic pleasure from it I'm sure.
The rest of ArbCom isn't any better. Never do they actually talk to anyone involved in a case. Never do they let little things like facts get in the way of their witch hunts.
Ambi posts up a message that her say-so ought to be considered basis enough for banning Marmot, whose only crime was exposing the Adminship self-protection racket for what it was, and you all just sit there applauding.
I think you proved Marmot's case FOR him.
An arbitration request comes up and someone adds an extra name to it, and all of a sudden the original name on the arbitration request isn't even MENTIONED in the final verdict and an innocent user who (and I checked the log to be sure) has not used a single naughty word is banned.
Yoder gets caught in an infinite ban loop by an Admin who was involved in his case, and you idiots spend your time jerking off saying "well you shouldn't have crossed an admin" and calling him names rather than paying attention to what was going on. And you're STILL DOING IT.
And then there's what you did a couple days ago to Kurita77. A new user comes in, reads the tutorials, makes edits, and you ban him for the crime of knowing too much? I was watching that. Poor kid didn't do anything wrong but you spent your time harassing him, one of you sends him crank emails, and before you know it we have a user screaming profanities.
Not his fault. YOUR fault.
There's a reason I post these sentiments anonymously. It's because you power-mad cretins would like nothing more than to get ahold of anyone who dares to speak the truth about you around here. You'd ban my Wikipedia account just out of spite if you knew who I was. And I know you WAY too well for you to claim otherwise, JT.
Come on. Prove me wrong. Show some sense. Show for even ONE SECOND that you actually respect the policies and procedures of Wikipedia.
Biting the newbies, attacking anyone who's not part of your inner circle jerk, and insulting new users once you've bitten them isn't doing you any favors.
A. Nony Mouse.
and your a sockpuppet but that's beyond the point, I would be interested in seeing an iota of proof of any of these accusations, that would support your case, and the case of the longwinded Nathan J. Yoder much better than these unceasing tireless rants.
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A. Nony Mouse wrote:
Whoops! Looks like somebody didn't like the truth told of them, they booted me off the list for speaking truth to power.
You wanted abuse of power? There you have it JT.
Seems to happen a lot around here and on Wikipedia. Speak truth to the circle-jerk of power mad fools known as Admins, get booted.
Ambi is the Red Queen of arbcom - running around like a complete fat fool, screaming "Orf Wiv is 'ead" whenever a case comes before her. She gets some sadistic pleasure from it I'm sure.
The rest of ArbCom isn't any better. Never do they actually talk to anyone involved in a case. Never do they let little things like facts get in the way of their witch hunts.
Ambi posts up a message that her say-so ought to be considered basis enough for banning Marmot, whose only crime was exposing the Adminship self-protection racket for what it was, and you all just sit there applauding.
I think you proved Marmot's case FOR him.
An arbitration request comes up and someone adds an extra name to it, and all of a sudden the original name on the arbitration request isn't even MENTIONED in the final verdict and an innocent user who (and I checked the log to be sure) has not used a single naughty word is banned.
Yoder gets caught in an infinite ban loop by an Admin who was involved in his case, and you idiots spend your time jerking off saying "well you shouldn't have crossed an admin" and calling him names rather than paying attention to what was going on. And you're STILL DOING IT.
And then there's what you did a couple days ago to Kurita77. A new user comes in, reads the tutorials, makes edits, and you ban him for the crime of knowing too much? I was watching that. Poor kid didn't do anything wrong but you spent your time harassing him, one of you sends him crank emails, and before you know it we have a user screaming profanities.
Not his fault. YOUR fault.
There's a reason I post these sentiments anonymously. It's because you power-mad cretins would like nothing more than to get ahold of anyone who dares to speak the truth about you around here. You'd ban my Wikipedia account just out of spite if you knew who I was. And I know you WAY too well for you to claim otherwise, JT.
Come on. Prove me wrong. Show some sense. Show for even ONE SECOND that you actually respect the policies and procedures of Wikipedia.
Biting the newbies, attacking anyone who's not part of your inner circle jerk, and insulting new users once you've bitten them isn't doing you any favors.
A. Nony Mouse.
and your a sockpuppet but that's beyond the point, I would be interested in seeing an iota of proof of any of these accusations, that would support your case, and the case of the longwinded Nathan J. Yoder much better than these unceasing tireless rants.
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First of all I take offense at the presumption that I had something to do with you getting kicked off the list, I do not have that power, I do not want that power and if I had it I had it you wouldn't be back ranting about which is absolute proof that i had nothing to do with it. In terms of the admin actions, you would not be banned for speaking your mind about the administrative decisions you would be and I presume have been banned for your personal attacks against other users, personal attacks are the only thing that you seem to have done that would justify you getting banned and if you get banned for anything less than blatently violating the rules I will be the first one to advocate that you be unbanned and that the admin involved re-read the rules. So do not for one F*cking second that you know me, you don't know me and if you keep ranting like this you are proving that you don't know any of us. So do us all a favor and leave, begone, and never write to this message list again. Oh and anonymity has it's usages but you are using it to conceal your own cowardice, to hide behind your anonymity for the sole purpose of making personal attacks against users is nothing sort of being an absolute coward, I dare you to reaveal yourself for the person you really are to and stop hiding behind false facades... I will await that time.
No, No, I think I hit it right on the mark.
You want anyone who dares to speak the truth about admin behavior to be banned.
Not for "personal attacks" because I didn't make any here, unless you call the truth about Ambi a personal attack.
No, you want me banned because I spoke the truth about all those occasions where the Admins are breaking their own policy and refusing to act properly.
I know you perfectly well JT. This is the same way you act any time someone challenges you to do the right thing. Too bad you won't actually DO it.
Deal in honesty with Marmot, Enviroknot, Yoder, and Kurita77 and then get back to me.
Knowing you and the rest of this list I'll be waiting until hades freezes over.
A.Nony Mouse
First of all I take offense at the presumption that I had something to do with you getting kicked off the list, I do not have that power, I do not want that power and if I had it I had it you wouldn't be back ranting about which is absolute proof that i had nothing to do with it. In terms of the admin actions, you would not be banned for speaking your mind about the administrative decisions you would be and I presume have been banned for your personal attacks against other users, personal attacks are the only thing that you seem to have done that would justify you getting banned and if you get banned for anything less than blatently violating the rules I will be the first one to advocate that you be unbanned and that the admin involved re-read the rules. So do not for one F*cking second that you know me, you don't know me and if you keep ranting like this you are proving that you don't know any of us. So do us all a favor and leave, begone, and never write to this message list again. Oh and anonymity has it's usages but you are using it to conceal your own cowardice, to hide behind your anonymity for the sole purpose of making personal attacks against users is nothing sort of being an absolute coward, I dare you to reaveal yourself for the person you really are to and stop hiding behind false facades... I will await that time. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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I have an honest question for you then, if you admit that it's gonna take that long for people to see that way (and believe me hell won't freeze over at least in our lifetimes) then why do you even try, why try when you know you can't win.
-JT
On 7/1/05, Jtkiefer jtkiefer@wordzen.net wrote:
I have an honest question for you then, if you admit that it's gonna take that long for people to see that way (and believe me hell won't freeze over at least in our lifetimes) then why do you even try, why try when you know you can't win.
perhaps it likes the debate.. I suspect the same might be true of those who reply.
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On 7/1/05, Jtkiefer jtkiefer@wordzen.net wrote:
I have an honest question for you then, if you admit that it's gonna take that long for people to see that way (and believe me hell won't freeze over at least in our lifetimes) then why do you even try, why try when you know you can't win.
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good point, that is why this will be my last email on the topic since I personally do not want to be sucked into this argument any more than I already have.
-Jtkiefer
For the public record, this user is not "booted off the list". Rather, he or she is mdoerated, with postings to be approved by moderators. Here is an email I sent to this anonymous user:
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You (and your other two accounts) have been moderated on WikiEN-l because you were rude and abusive to others. The WikiEN-l mailing list information page is at the following URL: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
You must have seen this page to subscribe your accounts to the mailing list. You will notice down the bottom it says "[u]sers who are extremely disruptive or uncivil may be banned from the mailing list by the [mailing list] administrators". As I am sure you will freely concede, your messages were very rude towards certain other subscribers of the mailing list. Here are a couple of examples from your messages:
"you are nothing but a fascist hag anyways" "Give Gerard my regards if you can be bothered to stop fellating him long enough to speak." "running around like a complete fat fool" "you idiots spend your time jerking off" "power-mad cretins"
In view of this extreme lack of civility on your part, you are hereby moderated on this mailing list. Any messages you now send to the mailing list will be held for approval by one of the list's moderators. If you construct your messages with meaning and civility, they will be readily accepted onto the mailing list, regardless of what you are arguing. This moderation is to maintain respectful conversation on the mailing list, not to censor your views.
If, however, you continue to create new anonymous accounts (we're up to 3 now), I may be forced to make mailing list subscriptions by approval only, which would have the effect of hindering community participation in the mailing list. As I'm sure you appreciate how undesirable an outcome that would be, I'm sure you will respect my requests.
~Mark Ryan WikiEN-l Mailing List Administrator
On 7/2/05, A. Nony Mouse tempforcomments3@hotmail.com wrote:
Whoops! Looks like somebody didn't like the truth told of them, they booted me off the list for speaking truth to power.
You wanted abuse of power? There you have it JT.
Seems to happen a lot around here and on Wikipedia. Speak truth to the circle-jerk of power mad fools known as Admins, get booted.
Ambi is the Red Queen of arbcom - running around like a complete fat fool, screaming "Orf Wiv is 'ead" whenever a case comes before her. She gets some sadistic pleasure from it I'm sure.
The rest of ArbCom isn't any better. Never do they actually talk to anyone involved in a case. Never do they let little things like facts get in the way of their witch hunts.
Ambi posts up a message that her say-so ought to be considered basis enough for banning Marmot, whose only crime was exposing the Adminship self-protection racket for what it was, and you all just sit there applauding.
I think you proved Marmot's case FOR him.
An arbitration request comes up and someone adds an extra name to it, and all of a sudden the original name on the arbitration request isn't even MENTIONED in the final verdict and an innocent user who (and I checked the log to be sure) has not used a single naughty word is banned.
Yoder gets caught in an infinite ban loop by an Admin who was involved in his case, and you idiots spend your time jerking off saying "well you shouldn't have crossed an admin" and calling him names rather than paying attention to what was going on. And you're STILL DOING IT.
And then there's what you did a couple days ago to Kurita77. A new user comes in, reads the tutorials, makes edits, and you ban him for the crime of knowing too much? I was watching that. Poor kid didn't do anything wrong but you spent your time harassing him, one of you sends him crank emails, and before you know it we have a user screaming profanities.
Not his fault. YOUR fault.
There's a reason I post these sentiments anonymously. It's because you power-mad cretins would like nothing more than to get ahold of anyone who dares to speak the truth about you around here. You'd ban my Wikipedia account just out of spite if you knew who I was. And I know you WAY too well for you to claim otherwise, JT.
Come on. Prove me wrong. Show some sense. Show for even ONE SECOND that you actually respect the policies and procedures of Wikipedia.
Biting the newbies, attacking anyone who's not part of your inner circle jerk, and insulting new users once you've bitten them isn't doing you any favors.
A. Nony Mouse.
and your a sockpuppet but that's beyond the point, I would be interested in seeing an iota of proof of any of these accusations, that would support your case, and the case of the longwinded Nathan J. Yoder much better than these unceasing tireless rants.
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