I just today noticed a new interesting thing while doing a Google search. Under each result there is a cloud looking thing and if you hover it it says "Comment". So I tried it.
Would someone else try this Google search "arsenic and old lace" youtube
Just like that with the quotes and all. On the first few hits you should see a result
_YouTube - Arsenic And Old Lace 1/15 (1944)_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6YzAfyIeAA)
Would you see if you can see a comment I left there? I'm curious how this works.
To make this thread on-topic, I wonder if there would be any advantage is allowing comments, separate from Talk Page comments, on our articles? I notice that many casual readers will leave "comments" which you can generally spot as they are not-tagged-with-a-sig and generally left at the top of the Talk page without regard for headers and so on.
I just wonder if a more free-form "comment" section would encourage more casual readers to become casual writers.
Will Johnson
P.S. The only reason I picked this particular movie was because I was casually looking for more movies to add to my _Click here to see the entire list of Peter Lorre Movies on YouTube_ (http://knol.google.com/k/will-johnson/peter-lorre-movies-on-youtube/4hmquk6f... 299) and _Click here to see the entire list of Cary Grant Movies on YouTube_ (http://knol.google.com/k/will-johnson/cary-grant-movies-on-youtube/4hmquk6fx... 8)
Although obviously people are *watching* my nightly selections, they don't seem to be adding any comments ;) Maybe I'm perfect after all!
Nope, no comments shown. If you click on the "See all notes for this SearchWiki" button below the results, it says no public notes have been made for the search results for ["arsenic and old lace" youtube].
What's a SearchWiki?
Nathan
2009/9/2 WJhonson@aol.com:
To make this thread on-topic, I wonder if there would be any advantage is allowing comments, separate from Talk Page comments, on our articles? I notice that many casual readers will leave "comments" which you can generally spot as they are not-tagged-with-a-sig and generally left at the top of the Talk page without regard for headers and so on. I just wonder if a more free-form "comment" section would encourage more casual readers to become casual writers.
Yes. Wikinews does this - they have a "collaboration" page for editors working on the article, but a "comment" page specifically for readers to spout forth. Would be good.
- d.
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:07 AM, David Gerarddgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Yes. Wikinews does this - they have a "collaboration" page for editors working on the article, but a "comment" page specifically for readers to spout forth. Would be good.
Yes, there's no good reason we should subject casual commenters to the horrors of wikitext. If they can even figure out that in order to comment they have to click a tiny little link marked "Discussion" (at the top of the page, not the bottom where every other site does it), then another tiny little link marked "Edit this page" or "New section".
Simple suggestion: A big green button at the bottom of every page marked "Comment on this page" which creates a new section on the discussion page.
I think I like "Comment on this page" at the bottom, but I'm hesitant to endorse that creating a section on the discussion (Talk) page. I have a reason for my hesitation.
Sometimes readers comments on say "Patty Hearst" might be something like "Oh I remember when this occurred, I was in the seventh grade and had to do a report on her..."
Now something like that is an interesting way for casual readers to spout off, but on a patrolled-article, comments of that sort get routinely purged as they don't really help us to improve the article. As a casual reader on OPB (other people's blogs) I get annoyed if my comment gets wiped or never appears.
I wouldn't be adverse to moderated comments so we don't get "lick my ass!" and things like that.
At any rate, anyone want to bring this to the general wiki community somewhere and gauge the reaction?
Will
-----Original Message----- From: Steve Bennett stevagewp@gmail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:58 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Googley comments
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:07 AM, David Gerarddgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Yes. Wikinews does this - they have a "collaboration" page for editors working on the article, but a "comment" page specifically for readers to spout forth. Would be good.
Yes, there's no good reason we should subject casual commenters to the horrors of wikitext. If they can even figure out that in order to comment they have to click a tiny little link marked "Discussion" (at the top of the page, not the bottom where every other site does it), then another tiny little link marked "Edit this page" or "New section".
Simple suggestion: A big green button at the bottom of every page marked "Comment on this page" which creates a new section on the discussion page.
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As a casual reader on OPB (other people's blogs) I get annoyed if my comment gets wiped or never appears.
Yeah, but see, the thing is, you don't "own" the blog. The person writing it does (well, technically, the blog hosting service does). They have the right to not have a comment show up. We could use the same argument on Wikipedia.
Emily On Sep 2, 2009, at 11:39 PM, wjhonson@aol.com wrote:
I think I like "Comment on this page" at the bottom, but I'm hesitant to endorse that creating a section on the discussion (Talk) page. I have a reason for my hesitation.
Sometimes readers comments on say "Patty Hearst" might be something like "Oh I remember when this occurred, I was in the seventh grade and had to do a report on her..."
Now something like that is an interesting way for casual readers to spout off, but on a patrolled-article, comments of that sort get routinely purged as they don't really help us to improve the article. As a casual reader on OPB (other people's blogs) I get annoyed if my comment gets wiped or never appears.
I wouldn't be adverse to moderated comments so we don't get "lick my ass!" and things like that.
At any rate, anyone want to bring this to the general wiki community somewhere and gauge the reaction?
Will
-----Original Message----- From: Steve Bennett stevagewp@gmail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:58 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Googley comments
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:07 AM, David Gerarddgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Yes. Wikinews does this - they have a "collaboration" page for editors working on the article, but a "comment" page specifically for readers to spout forth. Would be good.
Yes, there's no good reason we should subject casual commenters to the horrors of wikitext. If they can even figure out that in order to comment they have to click a tiny little link marked "Discussion" (at the top of the page, not the bottom where every other site does it), then another tiny little link marked "Edit this page" or "New section".
Simple suggestion: A big green button at the bottom of every page marked "Comment on this page" which creates a new section on the discussion page.
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Simple suggestion: A big green button at the bottom of every page marked "Comment on this page" which creates a new section on the discussion page.
Good idea, but we would get dozens of "OMG I LUV THIS PERSUN!!!!!11!!!".
Emily On Sep 2, 2009, at 8:58 PM, Steve Bennett wrote:
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:07 AM, David Gerarddgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Yes. Wikinews does this - they have a "collaboration" page for editors working on the article, but a "comment" page specifically for readers to spout forth. Would be good.
Yes, there's no good reason we should subject casual commenters to the horrors of wikitext. If they can even figure out that in order to comment they have to click a tiny little link marked "Discussion" (at the top of the page, not the bottom where every other site does it), then another tiny little link marked "Edit this page" or "New section".
Simple suggestion: A big green button at the bottom of every page marked "Comment on this page" which creates a new section on the discussion page.
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On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Emily Monroe bluecaliocean@me.com wrote:
Simple suggestion: A big green button at the bottom of every page marked "Comment on this page" which creates a new section on the discussion page.
Good idea, but we would get dozens of "OMG I LUV THIS PERSUN!!!!!11!!!".
Emily
Or worse, "THIS PERSON IS A DIRTY PEDO!!!!1!!" (or something as bad). Could be problematic for BLPs.
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:01 PM, WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
I just today noticed a new interesting thing while doing a Google search. Under each result there is a cloud looking thing and if you hover it it says "Comment". So I tried it.
In the Google search settings page, I followed a "learn more" link about SearchWiki, which took me here: http://www.google.com/support/websearch/bin/answer.py?answer=115764
Looks like any comments/promotions/rankings you make are stored for your own use -- the documentation on the help page seems to suggest that this information is private (in the sense that it's only viewed by you on your own searches, if not necessarily as a matter of policy), but I notice the button to submit a comment is labelled "Make a public comment"; confusing!
-Luna
I notice the button to submit a comment is labelled "Make a public comment"; confusing!
Maybe what they mean is "Make a comment, generic member of the public."
Emily On Sep 2, 2009, at 5:34 PM, Luna wrote:
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:01 PM, WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
I just today noticed a new interesting thing while doing a Google search. Under each result there is a cloud looking thing and if you hover it it says "Comment". So I tried it.
In the Google search settings page, I followed a "learn more" link about SearchWiki, which took me here: http://www.google.com/support/websearch/bin/answer.py?answer=115764
Looks like any comments/promotions/rankings you make are stored for your own use -- the documentation on the help page seems to suggest that this information is private (in the sense that it's only viewed by you on your own searches, if not necessarily as a matter of policy), but I notice the button to submit a comment is labelled "Make a public comment"; confusing!
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