Sheldon Rampton wrote:
Personally, I think Wikipedia should try to move away from deterrence strategies like bans, IP blocks and arbitration committees, and toward a reputation-management system like they have at Slashdot or Kuro5hin or eBay.
Oh god no! Slashdot and *especially* Kuro5hin are a haven for trolls, rude behavior, and giving the feeling to newbies that the deck is stacked against them. We don't want to replicate that!
[a system based on trust]...
A developer mentioned trust matrices once and I thought that was a neat idea. But having an RC that only had anon edits and edits by new logged-in users would be a very helpful start. We could even reset the accounts of certain problem users so that their edits would go into that RC as well.
That combined with a more cooperative way to search for vandalism and other problem edits would be enough for some time, IMO. As it is now many people waste a lot of time rechecking edits that have already been checked by other people.
I think it would also be a good idea to set some kind of limit on the number of contributions accepted per day from each anonymous IP number -- a fairly small number, such as 5. Five contributions is enough for someone to get a feel for how Wikipedia works.
Please no. For a while my browser and Slashdot just didn't get along. So I posted as an anon. After 10 posts I got a message saying to "Slow down cowboy - you need to log in to post more". I was a bit pissed.
But anons and new users do have a tendency to save without first previewing. I would therefore support the removal of the Save button from the initial edit screens presented to anons. Only after they previewed once would they be presented with the save button.
That alone should cut down on much of the simple vandalism from anons without putting any real limit on their ability to edit.
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Daniel Mayer wrote:
Sheldon Rampton wrote:
Personally, I think Wikipedia should try to move away from deterrence strategies like bans, IP blocks and arbitration committees, and toward a reputation-management system like they have at Slashdot or Kuro5hin or eBay.
Oh god no! Slashdot and *especially* Kuro5hin are a haven for trolls, rude behavior, and giving the feeling to newbies that the deck is stacked against them. We don't want to replicate that!
Having been a long-time member of /. (I have a 4-digit ID number, FWIW) I agree. Heck, the feeling I've gotten from /. is that the people running it have lost interest in the project, that it has been coasting along on its reputation for the last 2-3 years, & that there is no way to effect any kind of change in the system.
I hope none of us want Wikipedia to have this feeling.
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But anons and new users do have a tendency to save without first previewing. I would therefore support the removal of the Save button from the initial edit screens presented to anons. Only after they previewed once would they be presented with the save button.
That is such a simple & brilliant solution that I wonder why no one else has thought of it until now. Such a change would not be a serious barrier to someone who wanted to make the contribution without logging in: the forum on Linux Weekly News requires a preview step for its members to submit input, & I'd say that place has a high signal-to-noise ratio. It would also encourage the creation of more accounts, which would draw more people in.
Geoff