On 30 Sep 2006 at 10:12, "Jussi-Ville Heiskanen" cimonavaro@gmail.com wrote:
Personally I think a little bit of ignore goes a long way here. Tell Seth to divest himself of the EFF pioneer award, and come back again, methinks.
Then he'd be notable as somebody who renounced an award, wouldn't he? I think the handful of people who refused, renounced, returned, or had revoked [Oscars | Pulitzer prizes | Olympic medals | Nobel prizes | Fields Medals] tend to be very notable for this fact.
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Daniel R. Tobias stated for the record:
On 30 Sep 2006 at 10:12, "Jussi-Ville Heiskanen" cimonavaro@gmail.com wrote:
Personally I think a little bit of ignore goes a long way here. Tell Seth to divest himself of the EFF pioneer award, and come back again, methinks.
Then he'd be notable as somebody who renounced an award, wouldn't he? I think the handful of people who refused, renounced, returned, or had revoked [Oscars | Pulitzer prizes | Olympic medals | Nobel prizes | Fields Medals] tend to be very notable for this fact.
It's become fairly clear that, once even a tiny number of Wikipedians decide that you must have an article, it is all-but-entirely impossible to get it removed or even cleaned up by working within the system. Very nearly the only way to proceed is by legal threats and OFFICE protection.
I would welcome a counter-example.
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On 10/1/06, Sean Barrett sean@epoptic.com wrote:
It's become fairly clear that, once even a tiny number of Wikipedians decide that you must have an article, it is all-but-entirely impossible to get it removed or even cleaned up by working within the system. Very nearly the only way to proceed is by legal threats and OFFICE protection.
I would welcome a counter-example.
Well, without wanting to preempt the outcome of DRV, Gregory Lauder-Frost.
Although I do agree with you generally, it's an unfortunate situation but, I think, inevitable when there is a lack of any standards or principles to be applied in cases of borderline notability (which underlies most of these cases).
On 01/10/06, Stephen Bain stephen.bain@gmail.com wrote:
Although I do agree with you generally, it's an unfortunate situation but, I think, inevitable when there is a lack of any standards or principles to be applied in cases of borderline notability (which underlies most of these cases).
I suggest that the reason any attempts to create such standards become merely another place for irresolvable argument is that any standard that doesn't follow fairly elegantly from the basic content rules (NPOV, NOR, V) won't be accepted by editors who weren't in on the vote, and who have a convincing exception to the rule right there to hand. Because it is in fact a grey area and requires ... human editorial judgement. Which is why Wikipedia is written by humans instead of assembled from some sort of data dump.
- d.
David Gerard wrote:
...it is in fact a grey area and requires ... human editorial judgement. Which is why Wikipedia is written by humans instead of assembled from some sort of data dump.
Indeed. But when we forget that, we end up with Wikipedians reiterating a robot mantra of, "You're borderline notable, and that's good enough for us, so deal with it", which Seth poignantly paraphrases as "You've achieved a few things over the years, and as a reward, here's your very own troll magnet to monitor and defend for the rest of your life." (See [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Seth_Finkelstein]].)
On 01/10/06, Steve Summit scs@eskimo.com wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
...it is in fact a grey area and requires ... human editorial judgement. Which is why Wikipedia is written by humans instead of assembled from some sort of data dump.
Indeed. But when we forget that, we end up with Wikipedians reiterating a robot mantra of, "You're borderline notable, and that's good enough for us, so deal with it", which Seth poignantly paraphrases as "You've achieved a few things over the years, and as a reward, here's your very own troll magnet to monitor and defend for the rest of your life." (See [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Seth_Finkelstein]].)
Yeah. The living bio patrol doesn't seem to have achieved tremendous coverage just yet. Tch.
- d.
Hihi. Stay tuned. I feel in my bones a Grigori Perelman article AFD is in the works. (Just joking, and for the record there should be a snowballs...)
On 9/30/06, Daniel R. Tobias dan@tobias.name wrote:
On 30 Sep 2006 at 10:12, "Jussi-Ville Heiskanen" cimonavaro@gmail.com wrote:
Personally I think a little bit of ignore goes a long way here. Tell Seth to divest himself of the EFF pioneer award, and come back again, methinks.
Then he'd be notable as somebody who renounced an award, wouldn't he? I think the handful of people who refused, renounced, returned, or had revoked [Oscars | Pulitzer prizes | Olympic medals | Nobel prizes | Fields Medals] tend to be very notable for this fact.
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