Interesting examples. For both O.J. and Phil I would assume we can create fairly complete biographies using appropriate souces. I am doubtful that we could really make a "biography" for Gary Glitter without a lot of unacceptable sources being used, or a too full reliance on a single source.
Will
In a message dated 8/7/2009 12:17:51 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pn007a2145@blueyonder.co.uk writes:
As you say, Hitler and Stalin are extreme examples. When it comes, for example, to [[O J Simpson]], it becomes more moot, although I could suggest others, such as [[Gary Glitter]] and [[Phil Spector]].
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:19 PM, WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
Interesting examples. For both O.J. and Phil I would assume we can create fairly complete biographies using appropriate souces. I am doubtful that we could really make a "biography" for Gary Glitter without a lot of unacceptable sources being used, or a too full reliance on a single source.
Heh.
Why can OJ have a biography, Phil Spector have a biography but Gary Glitter would have a... "biography".
Is it grammatically correct to use scare quotes when talking about paedophiles? :o)
Because I consider a biography to be an appropriate reduction of a person's life, while a "biography" is an inappropriate reduction focusing on one famous bit and a lot of silly or scandalous bits. That a person is a pedophile might be interesting to appropriately document in a biography, however it should not really be a focal point of a biography, which should cover all parts of a person's life not just the parts that got splashed across the Weekly World News. It is difficult to really create a biography without at least a substantial number of book citations. However anyone can create a "biography" by gleaning inappropriate citations to fan magazines, scandal sheets and blog postings.
Will Johnson
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On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:19 PM, WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
Interesting examples. For both O.J. and Phil I would assume we can
create
fairly complete biographies using appropriate souces. I am doubtful that we could really make a "biography" for Gary Glitter without a lot of unacceptable sources being used, or a too full
reliance on a
single source.
Heh.
Why can OJ have a biography, Phil Spector have a biography but Gary Glitter would have a... "biography".
Is it gr ammatically correct to use scare quotes when talking about paedophiles? :o)
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WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
Interesting examples. For both O.J. and Phil I would assume we can create fairly complete biographies using appropriate souces. I am doubtful that we could really make a "biography" for Gary Glitter without a lot of unacceptable sources being used, or a too full reliance on a single source.
Will
Just a note on this- the usual "reliable sources" don't tend to report about Gary Glitter these days- it's just the low-end tabloids that are avid to get sightings, pictures, and arguably hound him; obviously they have an axe to grind and are unlikely to take a neutral stance. That is why such articles (and I have [[Jade Goody]] and [[Katie Price (Jordan)]] and similar on my watchlist) should be watched with vigilance to ensure scrupulous compliance with [[WP:BLP]]. The coverage of OJ & Spector hit much more responsible media sources.
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Phil Nashpn007a2145@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
Just a note on this- the usual "reliable sources" don't tend to report about Gary Glitter these days- it's just the low-end tabloids that are avid to get sightings, pictures, and arguably hound him; obviously they have an axe to grind and are unlikely to take a neutral stance.
It's a bit scary what you can do with facts :o(
"Gary Glitter is the stage name of Paul Francis Gadd (born 8 May 1944)[1], an English glam rock singer and songwriter. He chose to live as the [[Alexander_The_Great#Relationships|Ancient greeks]] or someone from [[Pederasty_in_the_Middle_East#Age_Discrimination_.E2.80.93_Beardless_Boys_and_Downy-Cheeked_Youth|the Middle East]]."
That's very evil. You just made me read his article to confirm that it doesn't say this at all! By the way the under-age were female not male.
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On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Phil Nashpn007a2145@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
Just a note on this- the usual "reliable sources" don't tend to
report about
Gary Glitter these days- it's just the low-end tabloids that are avid
to get
sightings, pictures, and arguably hound him; obviously they have an
axe to
grind and are unlikely to take a neutral stance.
It's a bit scary what you can do with facts :o(
"Gary Glitter is the stage name of Paul Francis Gadd (born 8 May 1944)[1], an English glam rock singer and songwriter. He chose to live as the [[Alexander_The_Great#Relationships|Ancient greeks]] or someone from [[Pederasty_in_the_Middle_East#Age_Discrimination_.E2.80.93_Beardless_Boy s_and_Downy-Cheeked_Youth|the Middle East]]."
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On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 3:13 AM, wjhonson@aol.com wrote:
That's very evil. You just made me read his article to confirm that it doesn't say this at all!
Oh gosh! Sorry, I should have pointed out that I was "Trying To Prove A Point".
Although, I think that falls under [[WP:DICK]].
Not sure if that still applies on mailing lists though :o/
By the way the under-age were female not male.
I'd ask with reference to which: the Alexandrian or the Middle Eastern.... but I don't think it's gonna progress the discussion any further.
What put this whole thing in my mind, when Glitter was mentioned, is that there was an editor (at least one, possibly more) who edited articles from a pederast's viewpoint. I don't know if he or she (well, no, it's gotta be a he) is still around.