This has gotten progressively worse, now someone named Slimvirgin is accusing me of being someone I have no clue who they are, please, PLEASE will someone help?
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sharon, Lois Bram oneelephant@gmail.com Date: Mar 13, 2007 12:37 PM Subject: Requesting assistance re user:Bastique To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Hello,
I need to request assistance with an issue I am having with an administrator who, for whatever reason, feels the need to be abusive and problematic towards me. This is the first time I'm encountering something like this, the rest of the time people have been extremely helpful, especially when I didn't know how to fix something on the page for pixar's Cars film and they helped troubleshoot a problem I saw with one of the images going over text.
What is going on is at the [[National Council of La Raza]] page. I saw that there was an editing dispute there, editors disagreeing over the content of the page and the nature of the group. I've been reading the sources supplied by the various sides and it seems the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
However, user:Bastique saw fit to revert to a version he preferred, and then semiprotected the page. This seems to be at odds with the protection policy and admin policies which state that admin powers should not be used to win a content dispute.
I reverted the page, and left a note on the talk page, the admins noticeboard, and then Bastique's page as a friendly reminder of what policy states:
Page history: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Council_of_La_Raza&ac... Edit on talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ANational_Council_of_La_Raza... Edit made to Bastique: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABastique&diff=1148...
Bastique's response was to threaten me by saying "Don't revert me again": he also reverted the page back and fully protected it this time, to "win" his argument by preventing me from doing so. (see page history above).
He has since continued to attack me, violating WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. He directly called me a liar, and has been lying about the fact that he threatened me, as well as accusing me of "gaming the system" which I am not doing, and it seems obvious despite his claims to the contrary that he has some stake in the content of the page, otherwise he would not have reverted/locked it TWICE nor would he be spending this much time attacking me for pointing out that his doing so is against policy.
It has gotten so bad that I had to create a new section regarding this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noti... section fully explains my problem as well as containing the additional difference links.
I do not know what else to do, this is scary to be treated in this manner by an administrator, so I am posting here in hopes that someone can help.
Please, if anyone can help, it would be greatly appreciated. User: One Elephant Went Out to Play...
Fine.
I'm leaving.
Jersey Devil outright threatened me, Slimvirgin posted the lies to the administrators noticeboard, I am no longer interested in contributing to Wikipedia if this is how you treat people.
Goodbye. [[User: One Elephant Went Out to Play...]]
On 3/13/07, Sharon, Lois Bram oneelephant@gmail.com wrote:
This has gotten progressively worse, now someone named Slimvirgin is accusing me of being someone I have no clue who they are, please, PLEASE will someone help?
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sharon, Lois Bram oneelephant@gmail.com Date: Mar 13, 2007 12:37 PM Subject: Requesting assistance re user:Bastique To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Hello,
I need to request assistance with an issue I am having with an administrator who, for whatever reason, feels the need to be abusive and problematic towards me. This is the first time I'm encountering something like this, the rest of the time people have been extremely helpful, especially when I didn't know how to fix something on the page for pixar's Cars film and they helped troubleshoot a problem I saw with one of the images going over text.
What is going on is at the [[National Council of La Raza]] page. I saw that there was an editing dispute there, editors disagreeing over the content of the page and the nature of the group. I've been reading the sources supplied by the various sides and it seems the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
However, user:Bastique saw fit to revert to a version he preferred, and then semiprotected the page. This seems to be at odds with the protection policy and admin policies which state that admin powers should not be used to win a content dispute.
I reverted the page, and left a note on the talk page, the admins noticeboard, and then Bastique's page as a friendly reminder of what policy states:
Page history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Council_of_La_Raza&ac... Edit on talk page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ANational_Council_of_La_Raza... Edit made to Bastique:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABastique&diff=1148...
Bastique's response was to threaten me by saying "Don't revert me again": he also reverted the page back and fully protected it this time, to "win" his argument by preventing me from doing so. (see page history above).
He has since continued to attack me, violating WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. He directly called me a liar, and has been lying about the fact that he threatened me, as well as accusing me of "gaming the system" which I am not doing, and it seems obvious despite his claims to the contrary that he has some stake in the content of the page, otherwise he would not have reverted/locked it TWICE nor would he be spending this much time attacking me for pointing out that his doing so is against policy.
It has gotten so bad that I had to create a new section regarding this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noti... section fully explains my problem as well as containing the additional difference links.
I do not know what else to do, this is scary to be treated in this manner by an administrator, so I am posting here in hopes that someone can help.
Please, if anyone can help, it would be greatly appreciated. User: One Elephant Went Out to Play...
You should wait some time. It takes time for the mailing list to get updated, and not everyone gets the same mails at the same time. Take a day off or two, and there probably will be messages waiting for you from other, helpful, administrators.
Regards, Christof Sperl aka Aetherfukz
On 13/03/07, Sharon, Lois Bram oneelephant@gmail.com wrote:
Fine.
I'm leaving.
Jersey Devil outright threatened me, Slimvirgin posted the lies to the administrators noticeboard, I am no longer interested in contributing to Wikipedia if this is how you treat people.
Goodbye. [[User: One Elephant Went Out to Play...]]
On 3/13/07, Sharon, Lois Bram oneelephant@gmail.com wrote:
This has gotten progressively worse, now someone named Slimvirgin is accusing me of being someone I have no clue who they are, please, PLEASE will someone help?
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sharon, Lois Bram oneelephant@gmail.com Date: Mar 13, 2007 12:37 PM Subject: Requesting assistance re user:Bastique To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Hello,
I need to request assistance with an issue I am having with an administrator who, for whatever reason, feels the need to be abusive and problematic towards me. This is the first time I'm encountering
something
like this, the rest of the time people have been extremely helpful, especially when I didn't know how to fix something on the page for
pixar's
Cars film and they helped troubleshoot a problem I saw with one of the images going over text.
What is going on is at the [[National Council of La Raza]] page. I saw that there was an editing dispute there, editors disagreeing over the content of the page and the nature of the group. I've been reading the sources supplied by the various sides and it seems the truth lies
somewhere
in the middle.
However, user:Bastique saw fit to revert to a version he preferred, and then semiprotected the page. This seems to be at odds with the
protection
policy and admin policies which state that admin powers should not be
used
to win a content dispute.
I reverted the page, and left a note on the talk page, the admins noticeboard, and then Bastique's page as a friendly reminder of what
policy
states:
Page history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Council_of_La_Raza&ac...
Edit on talk page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ANational_Council_of_La_Raza...
Edit made to Bastique:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABastique&diff=1148...
Bastique's response was to threaten me by saying "Don't revert me
again":
he also reverted the page back and fully protected it this time, to
"win"
his argument by preventing me from doing so. (see page history above).
He has since continued to attack me, violating WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. He directly called me a liar, and has been lying about the fact that he threatened me, as well as accusing me of "gaming the system" which I am
not
doing, and it seems obvious despite his claims to the contrary that he
has
some stake in the content of the page, otherwise he would not have reverted/locked it TWICE nor would he be spending this much time
attacking
me for pointing out that his doing so is against policy.
It has gotten so bad that I had to create a new section regarding this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noti... fully explains my problem as well as containing the additional
difference links.
I do not know what else to do, this is scary to be treated in this
manner
by an administrator, so I am posting here in hopes that someone can
help.
Please, if anyone can help, it would be greatly appreciated. User: One Elephant Went Out to Play...
WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Sir,
I thank you for your time but I have now been attacked on this list too, called a troll, and someone mean has moved me to moderation for some reason.
There is no reason for me to continue even attempting to contribute, your system is obviously broken and you have some very mean, possibly evil, people with power.
I am sorry to have to say this, it makes me sad because I know that there were good people there, but they are obviously outnumbered by the bad.
On 3/14/07, Christof Sperl christof.sperl@gmail.com wrote:
You should wait some time. It takes time for the mailing list to get updated, and not everyone gets the same mails at the same time. Take a day off or two, and there probably will be messages waiting for you from other, helpful, administrators.
Regards, Christof Sperl aka Aetherfukz
On 13/03/07, Sharon, Lois Bram oneelephant@gmail.com wrote:
Fine.
I'm leaving.
Jersey Devil outright threatened me, Slimvirgin posted the lies to the administrators noticeboard, I am no longer interested in contributing to Wikipedia if this is how you treat people.
Goodbye. [[User: One Elephant Went Out to Play...]]
On 3/13/07, Sharon, Lois Bram oneelephant@gmail.com wrote:
This has gotten progressively worse, now someone named Slimvirgin is accusing me of being someone I have no clue who they are, please,
PLEASE
will someone help?
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sharon, Lois Bram oneelephant@gmail.com Date: Mar 13, 2007 12:37 PM Subject: Requesting assistance re user:Bastique To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Hello,
I need to request assistance with an issue I am having with an administrator who, for whatever reason, feels the need to be abusive
and
problematic towards me. This is the first time I'm encountering
something
like this, the rest of the time people have been extremely helpful, especially when I didn't know how to fix something on the page for
pixar's
Cars film and they helped troubleshoot a problem I saw with one of the images going over text.
What is going on is at the [[National Council of La Raza]] page. I saw that there was an editing dispute there, editors disagreeing over the content of the page and the nature of the group. I've been reading the sources supplied by the various sides and it seems the truth lies
somewhere
in the middle.
However, user:Bastique saw fit to revert to a version he preferred,
and
then semiprotected the page. This seems to be at odds with the
protection
policy and admin policies which state that admin powers should not be
used
to win a content dispute.
I reverted the page, and left a note on the talk page, the admins noticeboard, and then Bastique's page as a friendly reminder of what
policy
states:
Page history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Council_of_La_Raza&ac...
Edit on talk page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ANational_Council_of_La_Raza...
Edit made to Bastique:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABastique&diff=1148...
Bastique's response was to threaten me by saying "Don't revert me
again":
he also reverted the page back and fully protected it this time, to
"win"
his argument by preventing me from doing so. (see page history above).
He has since continued to attack me, violating WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. He directly called me a liar, and has been lying about the fact that he threatened me, as well as accusing me of "gaming the system" which I
am
not
doing, and it seems obvious despite his claims to the contrary that he
has
some stake in the content of the page, otherwise he would not have reverted/locked it TWICE nor would he be spending this much time
attacking
me for pointing out that his doing so is against policy.
It has gotten so bad that I had to create a new section regarding
this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noti... explains my problem as well as containing the additional
difference links.
I do not know what else to do, this is scary to be treated in this
manner
by an administrator, so I am posting here in hopes that someone can
help.
Please, if anyone can help, it would be greatly appreciated. User: One Elephant Went Out to Play...
WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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On 15/03/07, Sharon, Lois Bram oneelephant@gmail.com wrote:
I thank you for your time but I have now been attacked on this list too, called a troll, and someone mean has moved me to moderation for some reason. There is no reason for me to continue even attempting to contribute, your system is obviously broken and you have some very mean, possibly evil, people with power. I am sorry to have to say this, it makes me sad because I know that there were good people there, but they are obviously outnumbered by the bad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Council_of_La_Raza&di... http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Council_of_La_Raza&di... http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Council_on_American-Islamic_Relati...
- d.
On 3/16/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Council_of_La_Raza&di...
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Council_of_La_Raza&di... http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Council_on_American-Islamic_Relati...
Thank you for that, those diffs were very informative
--Oskar