This is silly.
Zoe is one of the finest contributors Wikipedia has. The fact that a few people, most of whom have flawed agendas, feel threatened by her being a sysop should raise an alarm about those people opposed to Zoe more than anything else.
Besides, being a sysop is not some remarkable surge of power. It simply makes it easier to revert vandalism. It is pretty obvious to me that Zoe would not abuse any additional editorial powers she gets.
I suggest that we ask Zoe to reconsider and become a sysop.
Danny
On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 11:56:09PM -0500, daniwo59@aol.com wrote:
Zoe is one of the finest contributors Wikipedia has. The fact that a few people, most of whom have flawed agendas, feel threatened by her being a sysop should raise an alarm about those people opposed to Zoe more than anything else.
Besides, being a sysop is not some remarkable surge of power. It simply makes it easier to revert vandalism. It is pretty obvious to me that Zoe would not abuse any additional editorial powers she gets.
I suggest that we ask Zoe to reconsider and become a sysop.
I second that motion and agree with what Danny has said. Zoe, please accept the position of sysop, and please take on the role of mentor to Lir. If he acts up in the next 3 months, act in as draconian a manner as you feel is warranted. We need someone to encourage community standards; I think you would do that admirably.
Jonathan
Jonathan Walther wrote:
On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 11:56:09PM -0500, daniwo59@aol.com wrote:
Zoe is one of the finest contributors Wikipedia has. Besides, being a sysop is not some remarkable surge of power. It simply makes it easier to revert vandalism. It is pretty obvious to me that Zoe would not abuse any additional editorial powers she gets.
I suggest that we ask Zoe to reconsider and become a sysop.
I second that motion and agree with what Danny has said. Zoe, please accept the position of sysop, and please take on the role of mentor to Lir. If he acts up in the next 3 months, act in as draconian a manner as you feel is warranted. We need someone to encourage community standards; I think you would do that admirably.
I want it on record that I have no objection to Zoe as a sysop. I'm sure that if she ever chose to exceed her authority, there would be enough others to complain. Our Mister Ed has experienced that in the past, and he is still alive and well.
For the mentorship to work both Zoe and Lir would need to agree to that solution.
Eclecticology
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 12:48:56AM -0800, Ray Saintonge wrote:
For the mentorship to work both Zoe and Lir would need to agree to that solution.
Lir can either accept that solution, or not bother coming around the Wikipedia.
Jonathan
Jonathan Walther wrote:
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 12:48:56AM -0800, Ray Saintonge wrote:
For the mentorship to work both Zoe and Lir would need to agree to that solution.
Lir can either accept that solution, or not bother coming around the Wikipedia.
If Lir agrees to a different trusted Wikipedia sysop as mentor, that should be just as good.
Eclecticology
I haven't said I would do that. I don't WANT to be Lir's mentor. That would involve my having to deal with him, and I have no interest in doing that. Zoe Jonathan Walther krooger@debian.org wrote:On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 12:48:56AM -0800, Ray Saintonge wrote:
For the mentorship to work both Zoe and Lir would need to agree to that solution.
Lir can either accept that solution, or not bother coming around the Wikipedia.
Jonathan
At 07:51 PM 2/11/03 -0800, Zoe wrote:
I haven't said I would do that. I don't WANT to be Lir's mentor. That would involve my having to deal with him, and I have no interest in doing that.
Nobody believes you have to. Jimbo has made that very clear.
Vicki
At 12:48 AM 2/11/03 -0800, Ray Saintonge wrote:
Jonathan Walther wrote:
On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 11:56:09PM -0500, daniwo59@aol.com wrote:
Zoe is one of the finest contributors Wikipedia has. Besides, being a sysop is not some remarkable surge of power. It simply makes it easier to revert vandalism. It is pretty obvious to me that Zoe would not abuse any additional editorial powers she gets.
I suggest that we ask Zoe to reconsider and become a sysop.
I second that motion and agree with what Danny has said. Zoe, please accept the position of sysop, and please take on the role of mentor to Lir. If he acts up in the next 3 months, act in as draconian a manner as you feel is warranted. We need someone to encourage community standards; I think you would do that admirably.
I want it on record that I have no objection to Zoe as a sysop. I'm sure that if she ever chose to exceed her authority, there would be enough others to complain. Our Mister Ed has experienced that in the past, and he is still alive and well.
For the mentorship to work both Zoe and Lir would need to agree to that solution.
I agree.
If I were Zoe--having reluctantly asked for this, and found that people wanted to saddle me with the task of mentoring someone I distrusted--I wouldn't want it either.
If we agree that Lir should be invited back (I don't, but I'm not the final voice here) subject to mentorship, the mentor should be a volunteer.
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 08:58:30AM -0500, Vicki Rosenzweig wrote:
If I were Zoe--having reluctantly asked for this, and found that people wanted to saddle me with the task of mentoring someone I distrusted--I wouldn't want it either.
If we agree that Lir should be invited back (I don't, but I'm not the final voice here) subject to mentorship, the mentor should be a volunteer.
Mentor was just a polite word for what I really meant; something along the lines of "Corrections Officer", if you catch my drift. I trust Zoe not to go to undue extremes in such a role.
It is like sending the kid everyone picks on to karate lessons. Lir was picking on Zoe; by giving her a measure of power, Lir is in a position where he has to play nice, or bear the consequences.
Jonathan
Jonathan Walther wrote:
Mentor was just a polite word for what I really meant; something along the lines of "Corrections Officer", if you catch my drift. I trust Zoe not to go to undue extremes in such a role.
There is no such thing as "Corrections Officer" or "Mentor". If people want to mentor others, i.e. be helpful in easing newcomers on board, then that's fine. But I'm not about to start handing out personal fiefdoms.
Everyone please remember that no one here speaks for me, except for me, and that *especially* Jonathan/Clutch -- who is one step or two away from being banned himself -- does not set policy.
--Jimbo