People want examples of how "none of the thousand or so admins wants to unblock them" doesn't adequately describe the "community" ban process? How about this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/I ncidents/Blu_Aardvark_and_Mistress_Selina_Kyle
Synopsis: Linuxbeak unblocks Blu Aardvark and Mistress Selina Kyle. A whole page of drama-queen histrionics and hissy-fits erupts, with some prominent admins loudly storming away from Wikipedia in a huff (they were soon back), and people demanding that Linuxbeak apologize, admit to a grave error of judgment, and possibly be desysopped or debureaucratted. The fact that Jimbo apparently supported Linuxbeak's action was dismissed as irrelevant. Anybody who in any way supports the unblocking of these individuals is deemed a supporter of stalking, harrassing, anti-semitism, and other rotten stuff. They're quickly reblocked.
On 30/09/2007, Daniel R. Tobias dan@tobias.name wrote:
People want examples of how "none of the thousand or so admins wants to unblock them" doesn't adequately describe the "community" ban process? How about this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/I ncidents/Blu_Aardvark_and_Mistress_Selina_Kyle
Synopsis: Linuxbeak unblocks Blu Aardvark and Mistress Selina Kyle. A whole page of drama-queen histrionics and hissy-fits erupts, with some prominent admins loudly storming away from Wikipedia in a huff (they were soon back), and people demanding that Linuxbeak apologize, admit to a grave error of judgment, and possibly be desysopped or debureaucratted. The fact that Jimbo apparently supported Linuxbeak's action was dismissed as irrelevant. Anybody who in any way supports the unblocking of these individuals is deemed a supporter of stalking, harrassing, anti-semitism, and other rotten stuff. They're quickly reblocked.
Sounds like you're describing a wheel war. ArbCom is the way to go. The reblocking admins would be at least cautioned, and I doubt anything would happen to Linuxbeak. ArbCom would then decide once and forall whether or not to block.
(Disclaimer: This reply is based purely on the parent email, I am not familiar with the incident in question.)
On 01/10/2007, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 30/09/2007, Daniel R. Tobias dan@tobias.name wrote:
People want examples of how "none of the thousand or so admins wants to unblock them" doesn't adequately describe the "community" ban process? How about this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/I ncidents/Blu_Aardvark_and_Mistress_Selina_Kyle
Synopsis: Linuxbeak unblocks Blu Aardvark and Mistress Selina Kyle. A whole page of drama-queen histrionics and hissy-fits erupts, with some prominent admins loudly storming away from Wikipedia in a huff (they were soon back), and people demanding that Linuxbeak apologize, admit to a grave error of judgment, and possibly be desysopped or debureaucratted. The fact that Jimbo apparently supported Linuxbeak's action was dismissed as irrelevant. Anybody who in any way supports the unblocking of these individuals is deemed a supporter of stalking, harrassing, anti-semitism, and other rotten stuff. They're quickly reblocked.
Sounds like you're describing a wheel war. ArbCom is the way to go. The reblocking admins would be at least cautioned, and I doubt anything would happen to Linuxbeak. ArbCom would then decide once and forall whether or not to block.
(Disclaimer: This reply is based purely on the parent email, I am not familiar with the incident in question.)
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The incident in question was over a year ago now. Just an FYI :)
On 9/30/07, Daniel R. Tobias dan@tobias.name wrote:
People want examples of how "none of the thousand or so admins wants to unblock them" doesn't adequately describe the "community" ban process? How about this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/I ncidents/Blu_Aardvark_and_Mistress_Selina_Kyle
Looks to me like you dug through the entire history of Wikipedia, found one incident a fair number of people might be familiar with, and threw it out onto the floor without any elaboration or supporting arguments...
Whatever point you're trying to make, I'm not sure. Is this a problem that would be unique to a particular system of banning/unbanning? Does this single incident illustrate a persistent problem? Is this anecdote the common scenario or an exception? Is there an alternative system which could reasonably be expected to reduce the amount of histrionics and mitigate the negative impacts of bandwagon politics? What, in particular, are the problems, here, and how might they be fixed?
If we're relying on an anecdote, we may as well explore it a bit to see what information and lessons we can glean from it.
Judging from the tone of your post, it sounds like you have an idea, or at least might be able to answer some of those questions. I'm not quite clear on what idea is, just yet?
-Luna