Please review [[New Imperialism]] and its edit history. 172 has made this dense, what-looks-to-be-copyrighted article with his/her own idiosyncractic markup and tons of oblique references to other items without explaining those other references. I attempted to do some markup correction, not at all changing the content except for spelling and grammar fixes and a couple of NPOVing attempts, very minor (I took out a characterization of Theodore Roosevelt as racist, for example). This took about half an hour of work. 172 cavalierly reverted the entire thing without comment.
I asked several questins in Talk, and 172's only answer was, "Look it up in a high school history text."
Zoe
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At 13:37 02/01/03 -0800, Zoe wrote:
Please review [[New Imperialism]] and its edit history. 172 has made this dense, what-looks-to-be-copyrighted article with his/her own idiosyncractic markup and tons of oblique references to other items without explaining those other references. I attempted to do some markup correction, not at all changing the content except for spelling and grammar fixes and a couple of NPOVing attempts, very minor (I took out a characterization of Theodore Roosevelt as racist, for example). This took about half an hour of work. 172 cavalierly reverted the entire thing without comment.
I asked several questins in Talk, and 172's only answer was, "Look it up in a high school history text."
Zoe
[[J.A. Hobson]] was also started by 172, is in a similar style, and even duplicates some material from [[New Imperialism]]. The first paragraph of Hobson is lifted with only minor changes from
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0823869.html
I'm not sure about the rest of it, but it seems too poorly written to be stolen from a pro - I'm never sure when it's paraphrasing Hobson and when it's introducing its own analysis. It also makes attributed quotes from other authors without giving references. I suspect that it's some sort of (undergraduate?) essay that has been dismembered badly.
I've not mentioned this on talk yet because I haven't made sense of it all in my mind yet, and I don't know Hobson well enough.
172 seems to lack perspective on what makes good encyclopedia material, and to be unnecessarily combative, though I've not had much experience with him/her.
Rob Brewer [[user:Rbrwr]] payment: [[Gordon Brown]] at 13:30 GMT
|X-Sender: ab007d0224_2@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk |From: Rob Brewer rob@rbrwr.org |Sender: wikien-l-admin@wikipedia.org |Reply-To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org |Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 22:11:51 +0000 | |At 13:37 02/01/03 -0800, Zoe wrote: | |>Please review [[New Imperialism]] and its edit history. 172 has made this |>dense, what-looks-to-be-copyrighted article with his/her own |>idiosyncractic markup and tons of oblique references to other items |>without explaining those other references. I attempted to do some markup |>correction, not at all changing the content except for spelling and |>grammar fixes and a couple of NPOVing attempts, very minor (I took out a |>characterization of Theodore Roosevelt as racist, for example). This took |>about half an hour of work. 172 cavalierly reverted the entire thing |>without comment. |> |>I asked several questins in Talk, and 172's only answer was, "Look it up |>in a high school history text." |> |>Zoe | | |[[J.A. Hobson]] was also started by 172, is in a similar style, and even |duplicates some material from [[New Imperialism]]. The first paragraph of |Hobson is lifted with only minor changes from | |http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0823869.html | |I'm not sure about the rest of it, but it seems too poorly written to be |stolen from a pro - I'm never sure when it's paraphrasing Hobson and |when it's introducing its own analysis. It also makes attributed quotes |from other authors without giving references. I suspect that it's some |sort of (undergraduate?) essay that has been dismembered badly. | |I've not mentioned this on talk yet because I haven't made sense of it |all in my mind yet, and I don't know Hobson well enough. | |172 seems to lack perspective on what makes good encyclopedia material, |and to be unnecessarily combative, though I've not had much experience |with him/her. | | |Rob Brewer |[[user:Rbrwr]] |payment: [[Gordon Brown]] at 13:30 GMT |
Look at any political article on the list at [[User:172]] and you'll find the same thick goo. Even when the point is worth making, it is so coated in leftist attitude as to make the teasing out of the point no worth doing.
Tom Parmenter Ortolan88
And he/she refuses to engage in a civil discussion on any work he/she makes, but reverts all changes with condescension and refuses to compromise. Zoe Tom Parmenter tompar@world.std.com wrote:Look at any political article on the list at [[User:172]] and you'll find the same thick goo. Even when the point is worth making, it is so coated in leftist attitude as to make the teasing out of the point no worth doing.
Tom Parmenter Ortolan88
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