"John Lee" wrote
And judges don't make law. Let's be honest, Charles - judges say they don't make law, the arbcom says it doesn't make policy. In reality, both do. It's just that the law isn't codified as a separate law - it is enshrined in the precedent set.
AC cases are one-offs. They really are. They are supposed to fix up situations by a mixture of equity and safeguarding the Wikipedia mission. There is no precedent set by a remedy. Principles are pieces of reasoning drawing on written policy and other things, and are mainly there to connect general understandings with the bottom line.
If this were not so, the Supreme Court of the US would probably not be as powerful as it is today, and we wouldn't even have this case (after all, proponents of BADSITES-ish policies often cite a particular arbcom case when arguing their point).
I'm not American so I don't think along the same lines at all. Judge-made law can be incorporated into legislation, or swept away by it. But in any case Arbitration should attempt to do one job at a time well, not several but badly. And can't please everyone.
Charles
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com wrote:
AC cases are one-offs. They really are. They are supposed to fix up situations by a mixture of equity and safeguarding the Wikipedia mission. There is no precedent set by a remedy. Principles are pieces of reasoning drawing on written policy and other things, and are mainly there to connect general understandings with the bottom line.
If this is so, why has the MONGO case been constantly referred to as if it is policy?
And how did Arbcom manage to create an exemption to the 3RR if the case is a one-off?
On 10/17/07, Ken Arromdee arromdee@rahul.net wrote:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com wrote:
AC cases are one-offs. They really are. They are supposed to fix up situations by a mixture of equity and safeguarding the Wikipedia mission. There is no precedent set by a remedy. Principles are pieces of reasoning drawing on written policy and other things, and are mainly there to connect general understandings with the bottom line.
If this is so, why has the MONGO case been constantly referred to as if it is policy?
Because some people attempt to gain advantage in the debate by doing so, and because some people don't know better.
And how did Arbcom manage to create an exemption to the 3RR if the case is a one-off?
Lost me on this one.
Thatcher
On 10/17/07, charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com < charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com> wrote:
"John Lee" wrote
And judges don't make law. Let's be honest, Charles - judges say they
don't
make law, the arbcom says it doesn't make policy. In reality, both do.
It's
just that the law isn't codified as a separate law - it is enshrined in
the
precedent set.
AC cases are one-offs. They really are. They are supposed to fix up situations by a mixture of equity and safeguarding the Wikipedia mission. There is no precedent set by a remedy. Principles are pieces of reasoning drawing on written policy and other things, and are mainly there to connect general understandings with the bottom line.
Policy is set by consensus, not by edict. It just so happens that there is usually consensus - or an attempt to form consensus - around certain arbcom edicts, in which case the arbcom has clearly (but probably unintentionally) set policy.
If this were not so, the Supreme Court of the US would
probably not be as powerful as it is today, and we wouldn't even have
this
case (after all, proponents of BADSITES-ish policies often cite a
particular
arbcom case when arguing their point).
I'm not American so I don't think along the same lines at all. Judge-made law can be incorporated into legislation, or swept away by it.
Absolutely. But the common law is built entirely around judge-made decisions, so that's an even more clear-cut example of judge-made legislation. I think there are actually good parallels here because just as Parliament can either incorporate the common law into statute law or reject it, the community can incorporate Arbcom interpretations of policy as binding policy themselves. The Arbcom has made policy; it's not policy that necessarily sticks (as I said above, some edicts are more widely-adopted than others), but it's still policy laid down by the Arbcom which the community decides to accept or reject.
Johnleemk