I see that Anville has found a real playground with the article "Bogdanov affair" : obviously he has a lot of fun by adding sooo many bad items on this article which was already so negative for his subjects. Anyways, it is understandable : he can play as much as he wants, without being disturbed, as the Arbcom screened so carefully who would have the right to edit this article - and even to comment it on the talk pages !
Now it is Anville, who started by removing the web sites which were in favour of the Bogdanovs (like mine) and now spends a lot of time for searching out any document against the Bogdanovs in order to add it to the article - surely helped by Alain Riazuelo. Always this good old NPOV...
I have told this sickening story on a lot of blogs on the french Web, and I will carry on... My article "Wikipedia and the Bogdanov affair : "free encyclopedia" or virtual dictatorship ?" will be soon translated in english, so that the readers of the article "Bogdanov affair" will be able to judge it.
People begin to understand what Wikipedia is really, and I will do everything I can to help them to understand even better ! The article "Bogdanov affair" is such a great example of it...
Laurence67
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I had never heard of the Bogdanov affair before this. I'm not sure what your criticism of the Wikipedia article is, but to me it looks balanced and well written. I enjoyed reading it, and it is easy to form my own opinion of the matter. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
The url of the arbitration case is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/ Regarding_The_Bogdanov_Affair
I would say there is no good solution. The Bogdanov's themselves edited (lot of sockpuppets). The others did a hatchet job. Basically we said that if you are not a regular Wikipedia editor, don't drag your personal stuff onto Wikipedia. But that may have happened. The person complaining sounds like one of the Bogdanovs. He may well have a valid complaint about the other editor, but letting them edit freely is no solution either.
Fred
On Jun 11, 2006, at 6:55 AM, Steve Summit wrote:
I had never heard of the Bogdanov affair before this. I'm not sure what your criticism of the Wikipedia article is, but to me it looks balanced and well written. I enjoyed reading it, and it is easy to form my own opinion of the matter. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
It is wrong : you banned all editors who had taken part to the edit war, and then you cancelled this ban for 2 editors. Among them : Ze Miguel, who had written only against them, and had edited almost only this article. He just hurried to write a lot of things as soon as you spoke about banning all people who had not edited other aritcles, and it worked ! Even worse : you cancelled also the ban for r-bj, who had insulted the Bogdanov several times on the discussion page : "bastards", "con-men", he suggested to put the article in the cathegory "excrement", etc. Wikipedia should have banned him, at least from this article, but you did exactly the opposite : you nominated him as one of the rare people who had sitll the right to edit the article, in order to make it a "NPOV" one !
Of course these guys had a lot of fun to write even more bad things about the Bogdanovs, knowing that they were protected by the Arbcom. I hope you are not disappointed by the result : the article could be hardly more negative than it is ! Even the sites who were in favour of the brothers were censored by Anville !
And concerning the sockpuppets : it is strange to see that all people who tried to defend them were considered automatically as sockpuppets of the Bogdnaovs... It is so easy ! When you write : "The person complaining sounds like one of the Bogdanovs"... are you kidding, or do I understand badly ? You mean that I would be one of the twins ? Do not you have "check users" to verify this kind of things ?
If you have the least doubt, it will be surely more clear like that : see this pictures, on my web site (you know, one of these external links who were censored by Anville) : http://www.bogdanov.ch/Photos-accueil.htm#Uto05
On the first pictures, the third person is myself. OK ? Do I look like a sockpuppet ? I know also CatherineV, LLL, and some other people who were banned indefinitly, like me, as if we had done something terrible... They are not more sockpuppet than I am, of course...
And concerning the Bogdanovs : if you really do not want people to edit on themselves, you must do what you can to prevent malicious people to write against the subjects of an article, just for the fun... or because they had a quarrel with them and want to take revenge of them, as it happened in this case. The Bogdanovs have been harrassed for years by some people who edited their article only to try to destroy them, as they had done already a lot of times on the fora, and you helped them, with your partial decision, to get what they wanted : a very bad article against the brothers. I sincerely hope that you were better as a lawyer with your "real" clients than you were in this case.
Laurence67
Fred Bauder fredbaud@ctelco.net a écrit : The url of the arbitration case is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/ Regarding_The_Bogdanov_Affair
I would say there is no good solution. The Bogdanov's themselves edited (lot of sockpuppets). The others did a hatchet job. Basically we said that if you are not a regular Wikipedia editor, don't drag your personal stuff onto Wikipedia. But that may have happened. The person complaining sounds like one of the Bogdanovs. He may well have a valid complaint about the other editor, but letting them edit freely is no solution either.
Fred
On Jun 11, 2006, at 6:55 AM, Steve Summit wrote:
I had never heard of the Bogdanov affair before this. I'm not sure what your criticism of the Wikipedia article is, but to me it looks balanced and well written. I enjoyed reading it, and it is easy to form my own opinion of the matter. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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On Jun 11, 2006, at 9:39 AM, Laurence Soixante-sept wrote:
I sincerely hope that you were better as a lawyer with your "real" clients than you were in this case.
No, I did not put up with nonsense then either and I had several clients who were extremely dissatisfied. I have no regrets on that score. I was not a very good "mouthpiece".
Fred