-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Gregory Maxwell stated for the record: I've been signing messages to this list for some years now. Either I hacked this account a long time ago and have not yet made use of its privileges except to post the occasional snide remark, or I'm the same person who was appointed to the ArbComm. If anyone wants to drop by to see me, and swap keys, just ask. But paranoia is not sufficient reason to get me to traveling more than a few li. - -- Sean Barrett | What if the hokey pokey is sean(a)epoptic.com | really what it's all about?

Steve Bennett wrote: If someone is using a sane OpenPGP-compatible mail client the signatures will show up as attachments, such as mine. (If the signature to this message is displayed inline then I suggest you find a user-agent that Has A Clue.) I usually sign all my mail, no matter who it gets sent to, but I always ALWAYS sign mail I send to a mailing list. Spoofing the sender address is just too easy, and few people bother to check. I'm not saying anyone would want to spoof email from me, but you don't know until it happens, eh? It's more of a way for me to say, in that event, "no, I didn't send that message" than it is of saying "yeah, I sent this message." Spoofing aside, it's a lot easier to compromise an email account on some server than to get a key off my Linux fortress *and* break the passphrase. -- Chris Howie http://www.chrishowie.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Crazycomputers -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/IT d-(--) s:- a-->? C++(+++)$> UL++++ P++++$ L+++>++++ E--- W++ N o++ K? w--$ O M- V- PS--(---) PE++ Y+ PGP++ t+ 5? X- R(+)>- tv-(--) b- DI+> D++ G>+++ e>++ h(--)>--- !r>+++ y->+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

Sean Barrett wrote: Except you actually don't. If you look at the source of your email you'll see that it's being sent inline, not as an attachment. I suggest you look for some option to enable PGP/MIME, as that will turn the signature into an attachment. -- Chris Howie http://www.chrishowie.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Crazycomputers -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/IT d-(--) s:- a-->? C++(+++)$> UL++++ P++++$ L+++>++++ E--- W++ N o++ K? w--$ O M- V- PS--(---) PE++ Y+ PGP++ t+ 5? X- R(+)>- tv-(--) b- DI+> D++ G>+++ e>++ h(--)>--- !r>+++ y->+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

David Gerard wrote: Maybe he should have used "sane" instead of "modern." My views on gmail are mostly unprintable, so I'll just leave it at that. -- Chris Howie http://www.chrishowie.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Crazycomputers -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/IT d-(--) s:- a-->? C++(+++)$> UL++++ P++++$ L+++>++++ E--- W++ N o++ K? w--$ O M- V- PS--(---) PE++ Y+ PGP++ t+ 5? X- R(+)>- tv-(--) b- DI+> D++ G>+++ e>++ h(--)>--- !r>+++ y->+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

On 5/12/07, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: - what sucks about 2 is that you can't distinguish between individual messages in a thread that are read or not read. So you end up missing whole threads because you read a few messages and skipped the rest, and they all got marked read. 3. All the mail I've received in the last 3 years searchable wherever I am, even on my phone. Incredibly useful. 4. Nice filtering/hiding of repeated strings (quoted paragraphs, signatures). Ultimately it was 3 that made me abandon having a local mail client. I could download all the mail onto my computer with a client, but there just doesn't seem to be much point. Steve

On 12/05/07, Chris Howie <cdhowie(a)nerdshack.com> wrote: It only has these features in the "ticking off the list of features" sense. I am quite familiar with Thunderbird, and it really does much worse at these two than Gmail. - d.

G'day Sean, On the assumption that Mozilla Thunderbird counts as a "modern mail client": bzzzt! My mail client handles PGP keys appropriately (at least, to my limited level of understanding, it does), and no other poster to this list seems to "add 10 lines of spam to every message" except you. This includes those who use PGP. I think the problem may well be at your end. (In any case, as someone once said, PGP doesn't guarantee that you are the sender of the message: it just means that, if you aren't, nobody will believe you.) <snip/> -- Mark Gallagher "'Yes, sir,' said Jeeves in a low, cold voice, as if he had been bitten in the leg by a personal friend." - P G Wodehouse, /Carry On, Jeeves/

On 5/13/07, Mark Gallagher &lt;m.g.gallagher(a)student.canberra.edu.au&gt; wrote: Yeah, I see others' PGP keys handled as attachments in Gmail. It's only Sean's PGP key that shows up inline. Johnleemk

Sean Barrett wrote: It's showing correctly as an attachment in gmail now. Do you have your most recent public key on a keyserver, though? I can't find it off of any of the standard ones.