Heads up: Just today I happened to notice that Wikipedia has a bio that reads like a press kit for [[Ronn Torossian]], the owner/founder of a New York city PR firm named [[5W Public Relations]], which has its own separate article. Both of those articles have been heavily and repeatedly edited by User:Judae1, whose user page describes him as "Juda S. Engelmayer, Senior Vice President, Government and Corporate Issues Practice at 5W Public Relations."
I also noticed that User:Judae1 has himself repeatedly edited [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard]], so it is hard to imagine that he is unaware that his editing of the [[Ronnn Torossian]] and [[5W Public Relations]] articles is in violation of Wikipedia policy.
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Seems to me that a complete review of factual accuracy, and perhaps a stern reminder of COI editing is in order.
On 7/13/07, Sheldon Rampton sheldon@prwatch.org wrote:
Heads up: Just today I happened to notice that Wikipedia has a bio that reads like a press kit for [[Ronn Torossian]], the owner/founder of a New York city PR firm named [[5W Public Relations]], which has its own separate article. Both of those articles have been heavily and repeatedly edited by User:Judae1, whose user page describes him as "Juda S. Engelmayer, Senior Vice President, Government and Corporate Issues Practice at 5W Public Relations."
I also noticed that User:Judae1 has himself repeatedly edited [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard]], so it is hard to imagine that he is unaware that his editing of the [[Ronnn Torossian]] and [[5W Public Relations]] articles is in violation of Wikipedia policy.
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On 7/13/07, Sheldon Rampton sheldon@prwatch.org wrote:
Heads up: Just today I happened to notice that Wikipedia has a bio that reads like a press kit for [[Ronn Torossian]], the owner/founder of a New York city PR firm named [[5W Public Relations]], which has
Tell [[WP:COIN]]. That's what they deal with.
Quiddity
G'day Quiddity,
On 7/13/07, Sheldon Rampton sheldon@prwatch.org wrote:
Heads up: Just today I happened to notice that Wikipedia has a bio that reads like a press kit for [[Ronn Torossian]], the owner/founder of a New York city PR firm named [[5W Public Relations]], which has
Tell [[WP:COIN]]. That's what they deal with.
(From the initials, I assume COIN is an indication that yet another silly Noticeboard has been set up, this one for Conflicts Of Interest?)
Oh, God! I rather thought we'd set aside this thing of "don't tell the general community, there's a subset of self-appointed experts who are the sole authority on foo" once and for all more than a year ago[0], after the Community Justice/Civility Noticeboard fiasco.
I'm so, so out of touch ...
[0] Stub-sorters notwithstanding.
On 7/14/07, Mark Gallagher fuddlemark@gmail.com wrote:
Tell [[WP:COIN]]. That's what they deal with.
(From the initials, I assume COIN is an indication that yet another silly Noticeboard has been set up, this one for Conflicts Of Interest?)
Oh, God! I rather thought we'd set aside this thing of "don't tell the general community, there's a subset of self-appointed experts who are the sole authority on foo" once and for all more than a year ago[0], after the Community Justice/Civility Noticeboard fiasco.
I'm so, so out of touch ...
"once and for all" must be a figment of your history-non-repeating imagination ;) Being "in" touch is exhausting, stay out!
Re: noticeboards: See the header template http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Editabuselinks Noticeboards are no different than policy/guideline talkpages - all are run by "self-appointed experts"! and often by those at the extremes of the wiki-philosophy spectrum.
Re: civility noticeboard: See [[Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts]] and [[Wikipedia:Community sanction noticeboard]].
I'm all too aware of how much redundancy/duplication/overlap there is throughout our Help/WP pages, and how overwhelmed much of it is by the overenthusiastic-and-uninformed (*cough RfA cough* etc). However, I'm also continually surprised that it doesn't all come crashing to a halt, and at how few good-contributors seem to actually get burnt-out by it all.
(Also, Kim Bruning mentioned [[Nomic]] to me in passing, a year ago, which put everything in perspective!)
"I laugh because I must not cry. That is all. That is all." Abraham Lincoln
Quiddity
On Jul 15, 2007, at 10:45 PM, quiddity wrote:
Noticeboards are no different than policy/guideline talkpages - all are run by "self-appointed experts"! and often by those at the extremes of the wiki-philosophy spectrum.
As an OTRS volunteer and one that monitors BLP/N, I take exception with your negative assessment.
-- Jossi
On 7/16/07, Jossi Fresco jossifresco@mac.com wrote:
As an OTRS volunteer and one that monitors BLP/N, I take exception with your negative assessment.
I believe BLP/N is one of the best monitored of these noticeboards.
-Matt
On 7/16/07, Jossi Fresco jossifresco@mac.com wrote:
On Jul 15, 2007, at 10:45 PM, quiddity wrote:
Noticeboards are no different than policy/guideline talkpages - all are run by "self-appointed experts"! and often by those at the extremes of the wiki-philosophy spectrum.
As an OTRS volunteer and one that monitors BLP/N, I take exception with your negative assessment.
-- Jossi
It was an obvious over-generalization (I assumed). It was based on my recent negative experience with some folks at WP:COIN and WT:EL. It was directly referring to the [[Community sanction [née ban] noticeboard]], and obliquely to the new [[Fringe theories/noticeboard]]. It was all in reply to the statement of "yet another silly Noticeboard".
However, I prefer not to couch everything with disclaimers and references to the "exception to every rule" concept.
I'm sorry that I seem to have distressed you, by stating that anything in Wikipedia is run by ""self-appointed experts"", whom often have subjective points of view. (See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Conflicting_Wikipedia_philosophies#Factions.2... and http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Faction)
More coffee now. Quiddity
On 7/13/07, Sheldon Rampton sheldon@prwatch.org wrote:
Heads up: Just today I happened to notice that Wikipedia has a bio that reads like a press kit for [[Ronn Torossian]], the owner/founder of a New York city PR firm named [[5W Public Relations]], which has its own separate article. Both of those articles have been heavily and repeatedly edited by User:Judae1, whose user page describes him as "Juda S. Engelmayer, Senior Vice President, Government and Corporate Issues Practice at 5W Public Relations."
What a crappy article as most COI articles are. I deleted most of the problems for being poorly written, peacockery, inappropriate sources for BLPS. Disagree with me if you must, but copy edit me whether you agree or not.
Thanks.
KP