For what it's worth, we are getting a good amout of email asking about how to help the project because of the BBC and NYT. Here's to that.
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Yes. We need all the help we can get!
Emily On Aug 26, 2009, at 7:33 PM, kgnpaul@gmail.com wrote:
For what it's worth, we are getting a good amout of email asking about how to help the project because of the BBC and NYT. Here's to that.
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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:33 AM, kgnpaul@gmail.comkgnpaul@gmail.com wrote:
For what it's worth, we are getting a good amout of email asking about how to help the project because of the BBC and NYT. Here's to that.
Do we have a welcome mat rolled out and some magic pixie dust to tell people to please not be BITE-y? No, seriously. We don't want a large influx of editors arriving to help after reading about things in the news, only to run into someone unfriendly or rules-bound.
Carcharoth
Do we have a welcome mat rolled out and some magic pixie dust to tell people to please not be BITE-y?
*pixie dust pixie dust* ;-D
We don't want a large influx of editors arriving to help after reading about things in the news, only to run into someone unfriendly or rules-bound.
I agree. Maybe have a Signpost-like note to everyone subscribed to Signpost? Maybe have that actually in the Signpost? Something like "Editors note: There's an influx of newbies, so please be patient". How will that work?
Emily On Aug 26, 2009, at 7:53 PM, Carcharoth wrote:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:33 AM, kgnpaul@gmail.comkgnpaul@gmail.com wrote:
For what it's worth, we are getting a good amout of email asking about how to help the project because of the BBC and NYT. Here's to that.
Do we have a welcome mat rolled out and some magic pixie dust to tell people to please not be BITE-y? No, seriously. We don't want a large influx of editors arriving to help after reading about things in the news, only to run into someone unfriendly or rules-bound.
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Can't do anything but help as possible, from whatever forum. These are the folks interested enough to click contact us, so there's certainly more.
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Do we have a welcome mat rolled out and some magic pixie dust to
tell people to please not be BITE-y?
*pixie dust pixie dust* ;-D
We don't want a large influx of editors arriving to help after
reading about things in the news, only to run into someone
unfriendly or rules-bound.
I agree. Maybe have a Signpost-like note to everyone subscribed to
Signpost? Maybe have that actually in the Signpost? Something like
"Editors note: There's an influx of newbies, so please be patient".
How will that work?
Emily
On Aug 26, 2009, at 7:53 PM, Carcharoth wrote:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:33 AM,
kgnpaul@gmail.com<kgnpaul@gmail.com> wrote:
For what it's worth, we are getting a good amout of email asking
about how to help the project because of the BBC and NYT. Here's
to that.
Do we have a welcome mat rolled out and some magic pixie dust to tell
people to please not be BITE-y? No, seriously. We don't want a large
influx of editors arriving to help after reading about things in the
news, only to run into someone unfriendly or rules-bound.
Carcharoth
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Can't do anything but help as possible, from whatever forum.
Perhaps I'm obsessing a bit, but clearly Signpost would at least run an article about the increase of new users after the news. I would assume you would be on Wikipedia longer, though, so yeah.
These are the folks interested enough to click contact us, so there's certainly more.
True, true.
Emily On Aug 26, 2009, at 9:16 PM, kgnpaul@gmail.com wrote:
Can't do anything but help as possible, from whatever forum. These are the folks interested enough to click contact us, so there's certainly more.
-- Sent from my Palm Pre Emily Monroe wrote:
Do we have a welcome mat rolled out and some magic pixie dust to
tell people to please not be BITE-y?
*pixie dust pixie dust* ;-D
We don't want a large influx of editors arriving to help after
reading about things in the news, only to run into someone
unfriendly or rules-bound.
I agree. Maybe have a Signpost-like note to everyone subscribed to
Signpost? Maybe have that actually in the Signpost? Something like
"Editors note: There's an influx of newbies, so please be patient".
How will that work?
Emily
On Aug 26, 2009, at 7:53 PM, Carcharoth wrote:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:33 AM,
kgnpaul@gmail.com<kgnpaul@gmail.com> wrote:
For what it's worth, we are getting a good amout of email asking
about how to help the project because of the BBC and NYT. Here's
to that.
Do we have a welcome mat rolled out and some magic pixie dust to tell
people to please not be BITE-y? No, seriously. We don't want a large
influx of editors arriving to help after reading about things in the
news, only to run into someone unfriendly or rules-bound.
Carcharoth
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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Emily Monroebluecaliocean@me.com wrote:
I agree. Maybe have a Signpost-like note to everyone subscribed to Signpost? Maybe have that actually in the Signpost? Something like "Editors note: There's an influx of newbies, so please be patient". How will that work?
Nah. We need permanent solutions. Wikipedia is a terrible place for a newcomer. Fortunately the Usability project amongst others is doing something about this.
It would be interesting if someone did a study on initial interactions between newcomers and oldbies to see if anything can be improved. But IMHO the best way to avoid newbies getting "bitten" is to help them avoiding newbie mistakes in the first place - a good interface, the right help and a few safety checks would go a long way. ("Whoa there newbie, you just wiped the whole page. Here's how not to do that...")
Steve
It would be interesting if someone did a study on initial interactions between newcomers and oldbies to see if anything can be improved. But IMHO the best way to avoid newbies getting "bitten" is to help them avoiding newbie mistakes in the first place - a good interface, the right help and a few safety checks would go a long way. ("Whoa there newbie, you just wiped the whole page. Here's how not to do that...")
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Well, hm. Hard to explain there as an "oldbie" what it was like as a newbie. I happened to have good interactions based on concerns I had, as Newyorkbrad went over in a Wikipedia Weekly cast. I only registered an account because the History of Alaska was messed up and I thought it more appropriate to have an account to complain :) . I've seen thousands of editors come and go not only because of initial experience, but just passion and care. There's no real matrix for it. ~Keegan
Correction, it was a blog. I just don't remember where. If'n anyone else does, please post. It was a good read.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Keegan Paul kgnpaul@gmail.com wrote:
It would be interesting if someone did a study on initial interactions between newcomers and oldbies to see if anything can be improved. But IMHO the best way to avoid newbies getting "bitten" is to help them avoiding newbie mistakes in the first place - a good interface, the right help and a few safety checks would go a long way. ("Whoa there newbie, you just wiped the whole page. Here's how not to do that...")
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Well, hm. Hard to explain there as an "oldbie" what it was like as a newbie. I happened to have good interactions based on concerns I had, as Newyorkbrad went over in a Wikipedia Weekly cast. I only registered an account because the History of Alaska was messed up and I thought it more appropriate to have an account to complain :) . I've seen thousands of editors come and go not only because of initial experience, but just passion and care. There's no real matrix for it. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan
...and they are continuing to roll in. Any more firm ideas? They seem to think that they are applying for "staff". I haven't the time to read all reporting, feedback would be great.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Keegan Paul kgnpaul@gmail.com wrote:
Correction, it was a blog. I just don't remember where. If'n anyone else does, please post. It was a good read.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Keegan Paul kgnpaul@gmail.com wrote:
It would be interesting if someone did a study on initial interactions between newcomers and oldbies to see if anything can be improved. But IMHO the best way to avoid newbies getting "bitten" is to help them avoiding newbie mistakes in the first place - a good interface, the right help and a few safety checks would go a long way. ("Whoa there newbie, you just wiped the whole page. Here's how not to do that...")
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Well, hm. Hard to explain there as an "oldbie" what it was like as a newbie. I happened to have good interactions based on concerns I had, as Newyorkbrad went over in a Wikipedia Weekly cast. I only registered an account because the History of Alaska was messed up and I thought it more appropriate to have an account to complain :) . I've seen thousands of editors come and go not only because of initial experience, but just passion and care. There's no real matrix for it. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan
Could you link to an example?
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Keegan Paulkgnpaul@gmail.com wrote:
...and they are continuing to roll in. Any more firm ideas? They seem to think that they are applying for "staff". I haven't the time to read all reporting, feedback would be great.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Keegan Paul kgnpaul@gmail.com wrote:
Correction, it was a blog. I just don't remember where. If'n anyone else does, please post. It was a good read.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Keegan Paul kgnpaul@gmail.com wrote:
It would be interesting if someone did a study on initial interactions between newcomers and oldbies to see if anything can be improved. But IMHO the best way to avoid newbies getting "bitten" is to help them avoiding newbie mistakes in the first place - a good interface, the right help and a few safety checks would go a long way. ("Whoa there newbie, you just wiped the whole page. Here's how not to do that...")
Steve
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Well, hm. Hard to explain there as an "oldbie" what it was like as a newbie. I happened to have good interactions based on concerns I had, as Newyorkbrad went over in a Wikipedia Weekly cast. I only registered an account because the History of Alaska was messed up and I thought it more appropriate to have an account to complain :) . I've seen thousands of editors come and go not only because of initial experience, but just passion and care. There's no real matrix for it. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan
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No, I haz no link. By "we" I meant the Foundation, ticket numbers are available upon private request if you have access to the system.
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Could you link to an example?
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Keegan Paul<kgnpaul@gmail.com> wrote:
...and they are continuing to roll in. Any more firm ideas? They seem to
think that they are applying for "staff". I haven't the time to read all
reporting, feedback would be great.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Keegan Paul <kgnpaul@gmail.com> wrote:
Correction, it was a blog. I just don't remember where. If'n anyone else
does, please post. It was a good read.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Keegan Paul <kgnpaul@gmail.com> wrote:
It would be interesting if someone did a study on initial interactions
between newcomers and oldbies to see if anything can be improved. But
IMHO the best way to avoid newbies getting "bitten" is to help them
avoiding newbie mistakes in the first place - a good interface, the
right help and a few safety checks would go a long way. ("Whoa there
newbie, you just wiped the whole page. Here's how not to do that...")
Steve
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Well, hm. Hard to explain there as an "oldbie" what it was like as a
newbie. I happened to have good interactions based on concerns I had, as
Newyorkbrad went over in a Wikipedia Weekly cast. I only registered an
account because the History of Alaska was messed up and I thought it more
appropriate to have an account to complain :) . I've seen thousands of
editors come and go not only because of initial experience, but just passion
and care. There's no real matrix for it.
~Keegan
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They seem to think that they are applying for "staff".
Maybe we need to make it more obvious that there's no "staff" at Wikipedia, at least for the time being.
Emily On Aug 28, 2009, at 2:49 AM, Keegan Paul wrote:
...and they are continuing to roll in. Any more firm ideas? They seem to think that they are applying for "staff". I haven't the time to read all reporting, feedback would be great.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Keegan Paul kgnpaul@gmail.com wrote:
Correction, it was a blog. I just don't remember where. If'n anyone else does, please post. It was a good read.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Keegan Paul kgnpaul@gmail.com wrote:
It would be interesting if someone did a study on initial interactions between newcomers and oldbies to see if anything can be improved. But IMHO the best way to avoid newbies getting "bitten" is to help them avoiding newbie mistakes in the first place - a good interface, the right help and a few safety checks would go a long way. ("Whoa there newbie, you just wiped the whole page. Here's how not to do that...")
Steve
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Well, hm. Hard to explain there as an "oldbie" what it was like as a newbie. I happened to have good interactions based on concerns I had, as Newyorkbrad went over in a Wikipedia Weekly cast. I only registered an account because the History of Alaska was messed up and I thought it more appropriate to have an account to complain :) . I've seen thousands of editors come and go not only because of initial experience, but just passion and care. There's no real matrix for it. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan
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The reason for this is, when Flagged Revisions got into the press last week, a number of sources reported that Wikipedia would be recruiting 20,000 "unpaid expert editors" as staff to check the articles....
Google:
http://news.google.com/news/search?um=1&hl=en&q=wikipedia+%22expert+...
Examples:
http://www.khabrein.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208941/Free-edit-Wikipedia-appoints...
FT2
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Emily Monroe bluecaliocean@me.com wrote:
They seem to think that they are applying for "staff".
Maybe we need to make it more obvious that there's no "staff" at Wikipedia, at least for the time being.
The reason for this is, when Flagged Revisions got into the press last week, a number of sources reported that Wikipedia would be recruiting 20,000 "unpaid expert editors" as staff to check the articles....
Holy cow. Is Jimbo aware of this?
Emily On Aug 28, 2009, at 10:04 AM, FT2 wrote:
The reason for this is, when Flagged Revisions got into the press last week, a number of sources reported that Wikipedia would be recruiting 20,000 "unpaid expert editors" as staff to check the articles....
Google:
http://news.google.com/news/search?um=1&hl=en&q=wikipedia+%22expert+...
Examples:
http://www.khabrein.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208941/Free-edit-Wikipedia-appoints...
FT2
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Emily Monroe bluecaliocean@me.com wrote:
They seem to think that they are applying for "staff".
Maybe we need to make it more obvious that there's no "staff" at Wikipedia, at least for the time being.
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On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Emily Monroebluecaliocean@me.com wrote:
The reason for this is, when Flagged Revisions got into the press last week, a number of sources reported that Wikipedia would be recruiting 20,000 "unpaid expert editors" as staff to check the articles....
Holy cow. Is Jimbo aware of this?
Don't you mean "is the Wikimedia Foundation aware of this?"
Carcharoth
PS. I pointed out in an earlier thread that this mis-reporting would lead to people thinking new editors are being sought especially for this. It's point 4 in my e-mail of 26 August in the thread titled "A sudden thought on the media coverage of flagged revisions". Could someone post to the foundation-l list and get some co-ordination going if are going to see a large influx of new editors to the WMF's largest project asking "how can we help?"
Don't you mean "is the Wikimedia Foundation aware of this?"
Yes, that's exactly what I mean!
Emily On Aug 28, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Carcharoth wrote:
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Emily Monroebluecaliocean@me.com wrote:
The reason for this is, when Flagged Revisions got into the press last week, a number of sources reported that Wikipedia would be recruiting 20,000 "unpaid expert editors" as staff to check the articles....
Holy cow. Is Jimbo aware of this?
Don't you mean "is the Wikimedia Foundation aware of this?"
Carcharoth
PS. I pointed out in an earlier thread that this mis-reporting would lead to people thinking new editors are being sought especially for this. It's point 4 in my e-mail of 26 August in the thread titled "A sudden thought on the media coverage of flagged revisions". Could someone post to the foundation-l list and get some co-ordination going if are going to see a large influx of new editors to the WMF's largest project asking "how can we help?"
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2009/8/28 FT2 ft2.wiki@gmail.com:
The reason for this is, when Flagged Revisions got into the press last week, a number of sources reported that Wikipedia would be recruiting 20,000 "unpaid expert editors" as staff to check the articles....
Google:
http://news.google.com/news/search?um=1&hl=en&q=wikipedia+%22expert+...
Ah. God bless the Daily Mail and its "just make stuff up" policy.
FT2 wrote:
The reason for this is, when Flagged Revisions got into the press last week, a number of sources reported that Wikipedia would be recruiting 20,000 "unpaid expert editors" as staff to check the articles....
I am actually curious as to where precisely did they pull that particular figure of 20 000 from. It looks awfully specific, like somebody might have actually used that number in some context or another, and the media just completely fumbled at understanding what the number referred to.
Yours,
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanencimonavaro@gmail.com wrote:
FT2 wrote:
The reason for this is, when Flagged Revisions got into the press last week, a number of sources reported that Wikipedia would be recruiting 20,000 "unpaid expert editors" as staff to check the articles....
I am actually curious as to where precisely did they pull that particular figure of 20 000 from. It looks awfully specific, like somebody might have actually used that number in some context or another, and the media just completely fumbled at understanding what the number referred to.
I agree. It looks like a figure for number of core active editors:
"...the plan is to draft in our core of active editors, all 20,000 of them, and keep the backlog on flagged revisions down to ensure the delays are minimal..."
might have become:
"...Wikipedia want 20,000 new editors to join..."
[We do want this, but not with the wrong impressions]
I can see how something like that could have happened.
Carcharoth
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Emily Monroebluecaliocean@me.com wrote:
Do we have a welcome mat rolled out and some magic pixie dust to tell people to please not be BITE-y?
*pixie dust pixie dust* ;-D
We don't want a large influx of editors arriving to help after reading about things in the news, only to run into someone unfriendly or rules-bound.
I agree. Maybe have a Signpost-like note to everyone subscribed to Signpost? Maybe have that actually in the Signpost? Something like "Editors note: There's an influx of newbies, so please be patient". How will that work?
Is there, in fact, an influx of newbies going on? Has anyone compiled the numbers for recent days to find out whether newbies are signing up faster than usual and if so by how much?
I think it's a good idea to point to such an influx in the Signpost if it actually happening, and to highlight the various pages and recommendations we have for enculturating newbies, but doing so based purely on anecdote and second-hand information... that seems more like Daily Mail than Signpost.
-Sage