On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:58 PM, WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 2/27/2008 10:51:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, cdhowie@gmail.com writes:
<< Any "Rule Z" here is irrelevant, because there is nothing stopping administrators from making a channel somewhere else, on some other IRC server, or some other chat server entirely. >>
Yes, if we had a rule Z in-wiki which said "don't do this", then we'd impose it just like any other rule. If an admin is caught doing it, they face the requirements of that rule. Same as the rest of Wiki.
And this would be a pointless rule, just more CREEP. If I can justify an action off-wiki then I can justify it on-wiki. If I cannot justify an action on-wiki then I cannot justify it off-wiki.
If you ask an admin why they did something and they say "I dunno, we agreed that it was the best thing" then you have every right to demand an explanation, which may be in the form of a chat log and it may just be a paraphrase, but either way you then have something to dispute. If they say "someone told me to do it" and cannot provide more than that then take it to RfC, MedCom, ArbCom, whatever.
I still don't see what the point is and I'd be interested to know how you would draft this "rule Z."
On 27/02/2008, Chris Howie cdhowie@gmail.com wrote:
If you ask an admin why they did something and they say "I dunno, we agreed that it was the best thing" then you have every right to demand an explanation, which may be in the form of a chat log and it may just be a paraphrase, but either way you then have something to dispute. If they say "someone told me to do it" and cannot provide more than that then take it to RfC, MedCom, ArbCom, whatever.
It is also worth noting that admins who answer "we decided on IRC" when questioned get copiously cluebatted by other admins. It's considered an extremely poor justification. Although when you aren't sure about a decision it may be worth chatting to others for sanity checking, you are responsible for your actions as an admin, and should be able to justify them.
So if e.g. you sanity-checked on IRC before an action, you should probably sanity-check on ANI after the action and accept a reversal in good grace.
Same as with pictures tagged by BetacommandBot - the admin deleting is responsible for each and every deletion they make, and if the bot has been getting things wrong and an admin zaps pictures that shouldn't be zapped, then the admin deleting would be responsible for cleaning up after themselves.
- d.