It may have been mailed to a bunch of list members directly, with faked header info looking like it was sent via lists.wikimedia.org. The headers and footer are wrong-looking.

I read my wikien-l at gmail, which isn't showing me the true whole headers, but someone who got the whole headers of the message could figure out where it was injected.

I don't particularly mind, but it is sort of silly.

Also silly and a bit pathetic is the rant about unblock-en-l. It went private because people were sending detailed identifying info to the list, and the Foundation's policies for protecting personal info details required it. We had detailed personal info leak from one party in what became an Arbcom case to another party in that Arbcom case by joining Unblock-en-l when it was unmoderated. The party whose personal info was out there claimed phone and work harrassment later followed, though we don't know that the info came via that particular leak or have verification of the claimed harrassment.

This sort of information leak is intolerable for any organization that cares about personal privacy. Parker, how would you feel if what had leaked was your home phone number, address, and employer's contact information?

The list is not closed and locked down to any outside oversight. It's just not freely open in an unrestricted manner now. If anyone has serious questions about oversight or review of unblock-en-l activities, propose an oversight mechanism. Just be aware that the oversight mechanism will have to work with the privacy mechanism.

The complaint about unblock-en-l also betrays a serious misunderstanding of what the role is of unblock-en-l. We're there as one of several appeals mechanisms. Others include email to the blocking admin, email to any other admin who will listen, posting an unblock request template on your talk page, filing a request with Arbcom, or ultimately going to the Foundation or OTRS. Unblock-en-L can't and has no authority to override and keep blocked anyone who successfully appeals via another mode, and we certainly aren't the only way to appeal something. We're just one way to get ahold of people who are real human beings, will take a look at a situation if asked, and will assist if we think it's needed. There is no special power - I was active on unblock-en-L for many months before becoming an admin, using nothing more than the powers of research, reasonable discussion, and persuasion where I found a block that I thought might be questionable.

-george

On 4/10/07, Gary Kirk gary.kirk@gmail.com wrote:

Not getting into it, but why didn't this message come with [WikiEN-l]?

On 10/04/07, Parker Peters parkerpeters1002@gmail.com wrote:

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A new entry for you to read, and enjoy.

Perhaps you will find enlightened, depending on how corrupt a wikipedian you are.

The more corrupt will dismiss it out of hand, of course.

http://parkerpeters.livejournal.com

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the "Unblock-en-l" list, which was supposedly created to allow a new avenue for people to seek unblock (once people on wikien-l got tired of people asking for unblock there), has been Completely Closed Off. The archives are no longer public record. Nobody is allowed to subscribe, save for those who are in the "good graces" of a certain group of abusive administrators already. Anyone can submit an email to it, but until such time as they see an email back, they cannot see the discussion surrounding them, or the behavior of those inside the group.

I can tell you why this is. It is simply because the Unblock-en-l group is a *total and utter fraud.* It was never intended, and has never been intended, that it be a legitimate place for legitimate users to get unblocked. Rather, it's yet another rubber-stamp on the lies and deception necessaryhttp://parkerpeters.livejournal.com/3130.htmlto keep anyone who page-owning administrators and interest groups feel might one day be part of a consensus against their particular point of view, out.

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Parker Peters http://parkerpeters.livejournal.com

-- Gary Kirk

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