Folks,
Larry Sanger has weighed in on this on the Citizendium blog.
http://blog.citizendium.org/2007/03/01/wikipedia-firmly-supports-your-right-...
"Now this is very sad.
As Slashdot reports http://slashdot.org/articles/07/03/01/1313251.shtml, someone calling himself "Essjay" was interviewed for last year's *New Yorker * article about Wikipedia. At the time, he gave *The New Yorker* the same story he gave to the Wikipedia community: he was a tenured professor of theology with some very impressive degrees. Recently he revealed that he had been using a fake identity, and *The New Yorker* apologized to its readers http://www.newyorker.com/printables/fact/060731fa_fact (see the bottom of the article, "Editors' Note") for having reporting his lies as fact. It turns out that, far from being an overeducated religious thinker, he is (if we believe his latest story–skepticism is obviously warranted) 24 years old and degreeless, a kid named Ryan Jordan. He also apparently thinks his lie was pretty clever, as well as quite morally justified, as edits on his user page show. Now, this is pathetic, and yet more evidence of the broad moral decline of Western civilization and all that is holy, but in itself is no big deal. No doubt Wikipedia's ranks are chock full of people who have misrepresented themselves. That's not big news, if you know much about Wikipedia.
No, the fascinating and tragic thing is Jimmy Wales' reaction. *The New Yorker* reported that he said: "I regard it as a pseudonym and I don't really have a problem with it.""
There is much more where that came from. Sanger probably sees it as a fillip for Citizendium which was starting to look like the encyclopedia equivalent of *Chinese Democracy.*
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Democracy*
Regards to all,
*Keith Old*
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Jimmy, say it ain't so.
Yeah, sad people have to get bashed. This has nothing to do with fraud, he didn't try to get a teaching position with his "invented persona". Apparently people think his contributions are worth less if he's not a professor, which is utter nonsense.
Mgm
On 3/2/07, Keith Old keithold@gmail.com wrote:
Folks,
Larry Sanger has weighed in on this on the Citizendium blog.
http://blog.citizendium.org/2007/03/01/wikipedia-firmly-supports-your-right-...
"Now this is very sad.
As Slashdot reports http://slashdot.org/articles/07/03/01/1313251.shtml, someone calling himself "Essjay" was interviewed for last year's *New Yorker
- article about Wikipedia. At the time, he gave *The New Yorker* the same
story he gave to the Wikipedia community: he was a tenured professor of theology with some very impressive degrees. Recently he revealed that he had been using a fake identity, and *The New Yorker* apologized to its readers http://www.newyorker.com/printables/fact/060731fa_fact (see the bottom of the article, "Editors' Note") for having reporting his lies as fact. It turns out that, far from being an overeducated religious thinker, he is (if we believe his latest story–skepticism is obviously warranted) 24 years old and degreeless, a kid named Ryan Jordan. He also apparently thinks his lie was pretty clever, as well as quite morally justified, as edits on his user page show. Now, this is pathetic, and yet more evidence of the broad moral decline of Western civilization and all that is holy, but in itself is no big deal. No doubt Wikipedia's ranks are chock full of people who have misrepresented themselves. That's not big news, if you know much about Wikipedia.
No, the fascinating and tragic thing is Jimmy Wales' reaction. *The New Yorker* reported that he said: "I regard it as a pseudonym and I don't really have a problem with it.""
There is much more where that came from. Sanger probably sees it as a fillip for Citizendium which was starting to look like the encyclopedia equivalent of *Chinese Democracy.*
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Democracy*
Regards to all,
*Keith Old*
**
**
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I just want Essjay to know that, regardless of what other people say about him (or her or them), he/she/them can claim whatever he/she/them wants on wikiality.com. Unless Wikipedia is wikiality, in which case don't forget to add your Rhodes Scholarship and service in an NSA committee on religious terrorism.
Seriously, Essjay, you can. As geni points out in her messages, this would be, as Jimmy called it, pseudonym play, if you hadn't actually used it and referred to it elsewhere on wikipedia to justify content decisions.
Keith Old keithold@gmail.com wrote:
Larry Sanger has weighed in on this on the Citizendium blog.
http://blog.citizendium.org/2007/03/01/wikipedia-firmly-supports-your-right-...
As Slashdot reports http://slashdot.org/articles/07/03/01/1313251.shtml, fact. It turns out that, far from being an overeducated religious thinker, he is (if we believe his latest storyskepticism is obviously warranted) 24 years old and degreeless, a kid named Ryan
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On 3/2/07, Keith Old keithold@gmail.com wrote:
There is much more where that came from. Sanger probably sees it as a fillip for Citizendium which was starting to look like the encyclopedia equivalent of *Chinese Democracy.*
I'm confused. Did you mean: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_democracy_movement
Or...what did you mean exactly?
Steve
On 3/3/07, Steve Bennett stevagewp@gmail.com wrote:
On 3/2/07, Keith Old keithold@gmail.com wrote:
There is much more where that came from. Sanger probably sees it as a
fillip
for Citizendium which was starting to look like the encyclopedia
equivalent
of *Chinese Democracy.*
I'm confused. Did you mean: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_democracy_movement
Or...what did you mean exactly?
Steve
As in Chinese Democracy, the Guns n. Roses album that has been 15 years in the making and still hasn't been released.
Regards
Keith Old
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On 3/2/07, Keith Old keithold@gmail.com wrote:
As in Chinese Democracy, the Guns n. Roses album that has been 15 years in the making and still hasn't been released.
You must mean intstead:
! Chinese Democracy ==> [[Chinese Democracy (album)]] ! Chinese Democracy ---> [[Chinese democracy movement]]
-Stevertigo
On 3/3/07, Keith Old keithold@gmail.com wrote:
As in Chinese Democracy, the Guns n. Roses album that has been 15 years in the making and still hasn't been released.
Ah. That interpretation did actually cross my mind. But I dismissed it as farfetched :)
Steve
On 3/3/07, Keith Old keithold@gmail.com wrote:
As in Chinese Democracy, the Guns n. Roses album that has been 15 years in the making and still hasn't been released.
Dude, Guns 'n Roses? Don't you know that if you need an abandonware example on the internet, you use [[Duke Nukem Forever]]? I mean, that's just common courtesy.
--Oskar
On 3/5/07, Oskar Sigvardsson oskarsigvardsson@gmail.com wrote:
On 3/3/07, Keith Old keithold@gmail.com wrote:
As in Chinese Democracy, the Guns n. Roses album that has been 15 years
in
the making and still hasn't been released.
Dude, Guns 'n Roses? Don't you know that if you need an abandonware example on the internet, you use [[Duke Nukem Forever]]? I mean, that's just common courtesy.
--Oskar
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Oskar,
Sorry. Never heard of it although I have heard of Duke Nukem. My gaming knowledge is close to zero, I'm afraid. :>) Before you ask I generally don't comment on gaming AFDs or webcomics.
Mind you, I don't think it has cost as much as Chinese Democracy which is at $15 million and counting. It seems that Chinese Democracy has been going for longer.
Regards
Keith Old
Keith Old
Keith Old wrote:
Folks,
Larry Sanger has weighed in on this on the Citizendium blog.
http://blog.citizendium.org/2007/03/01/wikipedia-firmly-supports-your-right-...
Now, this is pathetic, and yet more evidence of the broad moral decline of Western civilization and all that is holy, but in itself is no big deal.
I can see the feathers stand out on his chest. :-)
What are we to believe about the role of theology in Western civilization? ;-)
Ec