Jack would be well advised to note that I posted that message to-and-for the benefit and easy linking convinience of the mailing list. He is well aware of my comments there? Good for him, other members of the list may not be.
I did not, nor do I have any intention to, contact him "directly" (!) My comments here are the same --and I insist they must be treated the same by him-- as they would be on any Wikipedia talk page. Frankly, I find his reaction hysterical, and outragouesly hypocritical.
He dares to speak of indignity with such impunity. He breaks the 3RR, he titles a propper block as a "Wrongful Block," David Gerard unblocks him, assuming I'm sure that good behaviour is forthcoming --it seems Jack convinced David that he made comrpomises or something to that effect (?) with his reverts, which he did not; he made one useful addition with his revert, but I still reverted it just the same and kept the addition as it has nothing to do with the reversion-- and then what does Jack do? He makes that snide "certainly" remark to Mel.
Now, Mel reblocked him, the right and just thing to do in the case of Jack's contempt for the rules everyone else is expected to adhere to, the rules I have always adhered to. I also note that David Gerard (who seems to mistakingly think I'm accusing him of something sinister -- I am not) is not objecting to the re-blocking, now that he had a closer looked at the evidence.
Jack "suspect[s] the circumstances amuse [me] too much to refrain" ? If a reprieve from his circularities in that article for 24 hours is amusment, then count me as ROFL-ing.
Epiprologue: It all begins yesterday. I went and congratulated Chip Berlet on a fine article in the article's talk page, 4 days after Charles did (I only noticed it at that time). Mine was the 2nd comment in that talk page following Charles', and I intended to edit the intro (no content changes whatsoever, just make it less conversational: which I did) later that day, but when I got back home, I found Jack already start editing it. Ahhuhh. And so it begins, again.
And all this is nothing, it dosen't even pretend to scratch the surface about Jack.
El_C
I am well aware of your comments there. Why you are simultaneously escalating our bad relations whilst contacting me directly off the wiki, I have no clue. I suspect the circumstances amuse you too much to refrain? I do feel a bit sad that I am involved with a project that rewards persons such as yourself and mel with authority, if that gives you any satisfaction. I have often considered leaving, but there are so many excellent friends I have met, and so much I have learned, and so many others I have helped ... The indignity of circumstances such as this weighs more lightly than all of that.
Jack
El C (el.ceeh@gmail.com) [050527 23:44]:
Now, Mel reblocked him, the right and just thing to do in the case of Jack's contempt for the rules everyone else is expected to adhere to, the rules I have always adhered to. I also note that David Gerard (who seems to mistakingly think I'm accusing him of something sinister -- I am not) is not objecting to the re-blocking, now that he had a closer looked at the evidence.
I didn't think you were accusing me of anything sinister :-) I chose not to re-unblock so as not to continue a cycle of blocking/unblocking. If someone agrees with me they'll unblock, if not they won't. There's lots of admins.
Even though *usually* if another admin removes a block the first one shouldn't reblock, just to avoid the appearance of a blocking war. But if Mel judges it's severe enough then I'm happy to wait until/if someone else thinks Sam should be unblocked.
Epiprologue: It all begins yesterday. I went and congratulated Chip Berlet on a fine article in the article's talk page, 4 days after Charles did (I only noticed it at that time). Mine was the 2nd comment in that talk page following Charles', and I intended to edit the intro (no content changes whatsoever, just make it less conversational: which I did) later that day, but when I got back home, I found Jack already start editing it. Ahhuhh. And so it begins, again. And all this is nothing, it dosen't even pretend to scratch the surface about Jack.
Sam can rub people up the wrong way, but I don't doubt his sincerity. "Assume good faith" can require gritted teeth when someone is really annoying you ...
- d.
From: David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au
Sam can rub people up the wrong way, but I don't doubt his sincerity.
Lots of editors doing pretty objectionable things on Wikipedia are quite "sincere"; I don't think sincerity is a great excuse for policy violation.
Jay.
JAY JG wrote:
From: David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au
Sam can rub people up the wrong way, but I don't doubt his sincerity.
Lots of editors doing pretty objectionable things on Wikipedia are quite "sincere"; I don't think sincerity is a great excuse for policy violation.
Some people think that rules are more important than anything else; strict adherence to rules is the pinacle of NPOV.
Others of us do teribly POV things like listening and caring. Shame! We'll never become properly globalized machines that way.
Ec
From: Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net
JAY JG wrote:
From: David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au
Sam can rub people up the wrong way, but I don't doubt his sincerity.
Lots of editors doing pretty objectionable things on Wikipedia are quite "sincere"; I don't think sincerity is a great excuse for policy violation.
Some people think that rules are more important than anything else; strict adherence to rules is the pinacle of NPOV.
Others of us do teribly POV things like listening and caring. Shame! We'll never become properly globalized machines that way.
Some of us like to present strawman arguments, in order to defend indefensible behaviour. Shame! We'll never become a credible source that way.
Jay.