An anonymous user has been attacking our entry on "Christian-Jewish reconciliation". He has added grossly anti-Catholic and anti-Semitic comments in the Talk page, and has been using the article to slander all Catholics as "apostates". This new person is trying to make the Wikipedia article present as a fact that Catholicism since Catican II is heretical, and that he alone understands the true interpretation of the Bible and of Church dogma.
This new user appears to be a so-called "Traditional Catholic", who holds violently anrgy beliefs towards Catholics and Jews.
In response, Martin (MyRedDice) and Stevertigo have egged this person on, and have protected multiple anti-Catholic and anti-Semitic comments.
Stevertigo then added a bizarre rant on oil, the middle-east, Arabs, the USA and the State of Israel, none of which has anything to do with this article. (i.e. evolving relations between Christians and Jews.) It is just another one of his attacks on Israel.
Stevertigo has also made bziarre and false accusations towards me, claiming that I am writing "anti-Christian" propaganda, and that I am being racist towards Chrisitans. This, of course, is a total fabrication. In fact, I am concerned about the way that this new user, Martin, and Stevertgio are allowing people to slander and harass Catholic Christians.
Wikipedia should be a community where all people, including all Christians, should be comfortable participating. The way that this trio is allowing hateful slander of Catholics is simply unacceptable. To falsely accuse _me_ of Christian-bashing is shocking, as only they are attacking any Christians.
Stevertigo has further added sections to this article that include total fabrications on Jewish views of Christianity. he then criticises Jews for these positions (which they never held in the first place.) And Martin is egging him on, for reasons I can't fathom.
Finally, they protected this page.
Please help deal with thos shockingly hateful anti-Catholic and anti-Jewish baheviour, and this total violation of all Wikipedia norms.
Robert (RK)
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Robert rkscience100@yahoo.com writes:
Stevertigo then added a bizarre rant on oil, the middle-east, Arabs, the USA and the State of Israel
This is the "bizarre rant" in full. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The US-Israeli relationship, almost since Israel's beginning, had been based a history of trust between the two countries-- dealing materially with the maintaining of [[Anglo]]-[[American]] [[oil interests]] in the region, and unwavering US support for Israel in the [[UN]]. The current climate of Christian Jewish reconciliation is seen by people of various political shades, in one respect or another, as being hand-in-hand with their mutually supportive political, military, and economic relationship.
But this tenor of reconciliation also presents some political conflicts in light of the [[War on Terror]]. Arabs in the USA and Europe have at times expressed a resentment at the strength of the US-Israeli relationship, as a union of powers with the sole purpose of isolating Arabs, Arab human rights causes, and even Islam-- being the sole [[Abrahamic religion]] isolated from Judeo-Christian reconciliations. Religion is seen by some Muslims as the final straw-- the final social compact between US and Israeli societies, at the exclusion of Arab Muslims.
Yet many Jews and Christians do not see it this way. In fact they express a great deal of sincerity in terms of wanting to see Jewish and Christian relationship further healed, having a very long and terrible history of ethnic hostility between them, which eventually culminated in the Holocaust in the mid [[20th]] century. They hold the view that the political connection between the US and Israel is a side issue-- not bearing on the importance and merit of a growing understanding between Christians and Jews. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm sorry, but that does not strike me as : i) anti-semitic ii) anti-catholic iii) POV iv) Bizarre v) Unsuitable for the article.
US / Israeli relations are certainly -- and their effect on the continuing Arab / Israeli conflict -- seem very important to Christian / Jewish relations
RK, is there anyone with whom you disagree who you not prepared to call an Anti-Semite?
Gareth Owen wrote:
Robert rkscience100=/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org writes:
Stevertigo then added a bizarre rant on oil, the middle-east, Arabs, the USA and the State of Israel
This is the "bizarre rant" in full.
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I'm sorry, but that does not strike me as : i) anti-semitic ii) anti-catholic iii) POV iv) Bizarre v) Unsuitable for the article.
US / Israeli relations are certainly -- and their effect on the continuing Arab / Israeli conflict -- seem very important to Christian / Jewish relations
RK, is there anyone with whom you disagree who you not prepared to call an Anti-Semite?
I agree! Robert, you may be able to endear some unsuspecting people to your cause by exaggeratedly characterizing those you disagree with as vehement anti-whatevers insistent on furthering their POV, but it seems I'm not the only one who gets frustrated when when we investigate one of your shall we say "enthusiastic" complaints only to find that the only one who has lost their cool is you.
- David
Robert wrote:
This new user appears to be a so-called "Traditional Catholic", who holds violently anrgy beliefs towards Catholics and Jews.
You mean this: Some argue that the desire of some Jews to see the [[Second Vatican Council]] as a wonderfully revolutionary Council that "ended anti-semitism" is due to destruction of the Catholic Church that followed that Council and which appealed to the [[anti-Christianism]] of some practitioners of Judaism.
I don't see the problem with that to be honest, the view is attributed, though it is ambiguously worded around "is due to destruction". Maybe a change to this part to ensure that it is clear that this is the view of the "some" mentioned at the start of the sentence; and not either a Jewish view or an opinion posing as fact?