I was in a christian cult for years (one of many reasons why I'm atheist). I know what a cult is, and Wikipedia is NOT a cult. Except for Wikilawyers.
- Deckiller
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The heading was to gain attention - i did not say Wikipedia was a cult (One can leave at any time etc), although it does have aspects of that like you say Wikilawyers. My end point is that wikipedia is not a great place for inexperienced wikipedians. Mentorship is a little wikilove or behave you've been a bad boy. If anyone can contribute to an article and an article has some notability, the cite warriors (sometimes listing three sentences in the same paragraph, when its quite obvious they all came from the same source), and Notability counters in Afd - no nobility with less than 10,000 google relevent hits, should leave well alone.
Mike33
On 25/06/07, SonOfYoungwood@aol.com SonOfYoungwood@aol.com wrote:
I was in a christian cult for years (one of many reasons why I'm atheist). I know what a cult is, and Wikipedia is NOT a cult. Except for Wikilawyers.
- Deckiller
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On 6/24/07, michael west michawest@gmail.com wrote:
The heading was to gain attention - i did not say Wikipedia was a cult (One can leave at any time etc), although it does have aspects of that like you say Wikilawyers. My end point is that wikipedia is not a great place for inexperienced wikipedians. Mentorship is a little wikilove or behave you've been a bad boy. If anyone can contribute to an article and an article has some notability, the cite warriors (sometimes listing three sentences in the same paragraph, when its quite obvious they all came from the same source), and Notability counters in Afd - no nobility with less than 10,000 google relevent hits, should leave well alone.
Mike33
On 25/06/07, SonOfYoungwood@aol.com SonOfYoungwood@aol.com wrote:
I was in a christian cult for years (one of many reasons why I'm atheist). I know what a cult is, and Wikipedia is NOT a cult. Except for Wikilawyers.
- Deckiller
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
"My end point is that wikipedia is not a great place for inexperienced wikipedians. "
It depends, they're somewhat prefered over established editors (AGF with newcomers replacing articles with seven dirty words yo momma, or be cudgeled as you deserve for failing to do so).
KP
On 6/24/07, SonOfYoungwood@aol.com SonOfYoungwood@aol.com wrote:
I was in a christian cult for years (one of many reasons why I'm atheist). I know what a cult is, and Wikipedia is NOT a cult. Except for Wikilawyers.
- Deckiller
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
And wikiadmins, most certainly a cult. No wait, that's shopping cart.
Who are these people who respond well to criticism from outsiders? And what's wrong with them?
How do I find my edit count, by the way? I tried doing that thing that's over at RfA, the math tool at the bottom of the nomination, and I swear I saw an edit count once before using it, and a way to see my own, but it just says I don't have authorization to access it (yeah, I won't ask why or what, I wouldn't want anyone to have to kill me).
KP
Trotskyists value themselves on the amounts of "newspapers" they have sold.
- Trotskyists spend more time discussing policy that actually doing
groundwork.
- Trotskyists would rather die than have a kind word for somebody who
has left the movement.
Uh, as to the count/newspaper criticism: Many editors are vehemenentely against editcountitis; there is a whole page about it, as well as a userbox that says "this user does not think an editor's edit count reflects the quality of their contributions". And a healthy minority of longstanding editors don't ever check their count.
As to the policy to contributing ratio, there is no evidence supporting any math on how much talk or writing is done comparatively. Also, wouldn't it make perfect sense that an organization based on a collaborative process would spend a large amount of time discussing? If people didn't talk, then it would just be a constant mass edit war and nothing would get done.
Lastly, for evidence to contrary of the "no kind words for those who have left in anger or protest" check out User:Phadriel's (aka Sharon K.) WikiLove homage to those who have left or been forced to leave...
-steven
On 6/24/07, K P kpbotany@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/24/07, SonOfYoungwood@aol.com SonOfYoungwood@aol.com wrote:
I was in a christian cult for years (one of many reasons why I'm
atheist). I
know what a cult is, and Wikipedia is NOT a cult. Except
for Wikilawyers.
- Deckiller
************************************** See what's free at
http://www.aol.com. And wikiadmins, most certainly a cult. No wait, that's shopping cart.
Who are these people who respond well to criticism from outsiders? And what's wrong with them?
How do I find my edit count, by the way? I tried doing that thing that's over at RfA, the math tool at the bottom of the nomination, and I swear I saw an edit count once before using it, and a way to see my own, but it just says I don't have authorization to access it (yeah, I won't ask why or what, I wouldn't want anyone to have to kill me).
KP
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G'day KP,
How do I find my edit count, by the way? I tried doing that thing that's over at RfA, the math tool at the bottom of the nomination, and I swear I saw an edit count once before using it, and a way to see my own, but it just says I don't have authorization to access it (yeah, I won't ask why or what, I wouldn't want anyone to have to kill me).
You could try something like: http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/Tool1/wannabe_kate?username=KPBotany&site=en.wikipedia.org
(watch out for the wrap)
If I've got your username wrong, just change the "username=" value to the correct one.
Wikimedia sites seem to be down for me at the moment, though everything else works, so I'll just have to trust that this actually works.
lol - thought KP was jesting?
On 25/06/07, Mark Gallagher m.g.gallagher@student.canberra.edu.au wrote:
G'day KP,
How do I find my edit count, by the way? I tried doing that thing that's over at RfA, the math tool at the bottom of the nomination, and I swear I saw an edit count once before using it, and a way to see my own, but it just says I don't have authorization to access it (yeah, I won't ask why or what, I wouldn't want anyone to have to kill me).
You could try something like: < http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/Tool1/wannabe_kate?username=KPBo...
(watch out for the wrap)
If I've got your username wrong, just change the "username=" value to the correct one.
Wikimedia sites seem to be down for me at the moment, though everything else works, so I'll just have to trust that this actually works.
-- Mark Gallagher "'Yes, sir,' said Jeeves in a low, cold voice, as if he had been bitten in the leg by a personal friend."
- P G Wodehouse, /Carry On, Jeeves/
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On Jun 24, 2007, at 5:31 PM, K P wrote:
How do I find my edit count, by the way?
The fastest way:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/query.php?what=contribcounter&titles=User:XXXX
Replace XXXX with your username.
-- Jossi
On 6/25/07, Jossi Fresco jossifresco@mac.com wrote:
On Jun 24, 2007, at 5:31 PM, K P wrote:
How do I find my edit count, by the way?
The fastest way:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/query.php?what=contribcounter&titles=User:XXXX
Replace XXXX with your username.
-- Jossi
Awesome. But what do <touched> and <id> and <revid> mean? ~~~~
On Jun 25, 2007, at 12:15 PM, Gabe Johnson wrote:
Awesome. But what do <touched> and <id> and <revid> mean?
Parameters and info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/query.php
-- Jossi