Hey,
I have a question: Every time I go to a movie page to know how it is, I read the Plot section. However, I have realised that 95% of them write about key twists or scenes and they even tell the ending. I have thought of editing some of them, but I thought I'd rather ask here first.
Are movie articles supposed to tell you ALL the movie?
Thank you,
-- Alvaro
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Alvaro García alvareo@gmail.com wrote:
Hey,
I have a question: Every time I go to a movie page to know how it is, I read the Plot section. However, I have realised that 95% of them write about key twists or scenes and they even tell the ending. I have thought of editing some of them, but I thought I'd rather ask here first.
Are movie articles supposed to tell you ALL the movie?
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Yes, otherwise the article would be incomplete.
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.com wrote:
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Alvaro García alvareo@gmail.com wrote:
Hey,
I have a question: Every time I go to a movie page to know how it is, I read the Plot section. However, I have realised that 95% of them write about key twists or scenes and they even tell the ending. I have thought of editing some of them, but I thought I'd rather ask here first.
Are movie articles supposed to tell you ALL the movie?
Thank you, https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Yes, otherwise the article would be incomplete.
There was more to it than that. But please, no rehashing of the arguments. Could someone point to previous discussion? Unless it's been long enough since the last discussion.
Carcharoth
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Alvaro García alvareo@gmail.com wrote:
Hey,
I have a question: Every time I go to a movie page to know how it is, I read the Plot section. However, I have realised that 95% of them write about key twists or scenes and they even tell the ending. I have thought of editing some of them, but I thought I'd rather ask here first.
Are movie articles supposed to tell you ALL the movie?
Thank you,
-- Alvaro
Yes, otherwise it would be like "Harry Potter is a wizard" you might like to look at [[en:wp:spoiler]] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spoiler
I'm not saying I'd rather have a one-line plot, I'm just saying that spoilers aren't that necessary. You go to the article to see if you go watch the movie, not to read it because you didn't get the chance to watch it.
-- Alvaro
On 07-02-2009, at 12:21, "K. Peachey" p858snake@yahoo.com.au wrote:
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Alvaro García alvareo@gmail.com w rote:
Hey,
I have a question: Every time I go to a movie page to know how it is, I read the Plot section. However, I have realised that 95% of them write about key twists or scenes and they even tell the ending. I have thought of editing some of them, but I thought I'd rather ask here first.
Are movie articles supposed to tell you ALL the movie?
Thank you,
-- Alvaro
Yes, otherwise it would be like "Harry Potter is a wizard" you might like to look at [[en:wp:spoiler]] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spoiler
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On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Alvaro García alvareo@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not saying I'd rather have a one-line plot, I'm just saying that spoilers aren't that necessary. You go to the article to see if you go watch the movie, not to read it because you didn't get the chance to watch it.
-- Alvaro
Without the "spoilers" the article is incomplete. If you want to read the plot without having the ending spoiled, try IMDB or something.
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Alvaro García alvareo@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not saying I'd rather have a one-line plot, I'm just saying that spoilers aren't that necessary. You go to the article to see if you go watch the movie, not to read it because you didn't get the chance to watch it.
That may be true for you.
I, at least, would not be so arrogant and narrow-minded as to suggest that my particular use of Wikipedia articles is *the* use to which they should be put. And I certainly wouldn't suggest that articles shouldn't contain anything but what serves my particular interest.
Wow man SORRY. I'm not arrogant, I'm just asking something!
Man, I'd never think everyone would be against me and insult me for a simple question!
-- Alvaro
On 07-02-2009, at 12:38, Gwern Branwen gwern0@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Alvaro García alvareo@gmail.com w rote:
I'm not saying I'd rather have a one-line plot, I'm just saying that spoilers aren't that necessary. You go to the article to see if you go watch the movie, not to read it because you didn't get the chance to watch it.
That may be true for you.
I, at least, would not be so arrogant and narrow-minded as to suggest that my particular use of Wikipedia articles is *the* use to which they should be put. And I certainly wouldn't suggest that articles shouldn't contain anything but what serves my particular interest.
-- gwern
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On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Alvaro García alvareo@gmail.com wrote:
Wow man SORRY. I'm not arrogant, I'm just asking something!
Man, I'd never think everyone would be against me and insult me for a simple question!
I suggest you do what I do: only read the first paragraph. ;-) When a movie is confusing though, I can look to Wikipedia when I'm like "what just happened?!" thanks to the complete plot.
Don't worry, we don't think you're arrogant! (However, you can see their point, I'm sure... the spoilers debate was a *huge* one that they don't want to bring up again.)
-- Alvaro
On 07-02-2009, at 12:58, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Alvaro García alvareo@gmail.com w rote:
Wow man SORRY. I'm not arrogant, I'm just asking something!
Man, I'd never think everyone would be against me and insult me for a simple question!
I suggest you do what I do: only read the first paragraph. ;-) When a movie is confusing though, I can look to Wikipedia when I'm like "what just happened?!" thanks to the complete plot.
Yeah, I've done that once.
Don't worry, we don't think you're arrogant! (However, you can see their point, I'm sure... the spoilers debate was a *huge* one that they don't want to bring up again.)
Ok, thank you!
-- Casey Brown Cbrown1023
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On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Alvaro García alvareo@gmail.com wrote:
Wow man SORRY. I'm not arrogant, I'm just asking something!
Man, I'd never think everyone would be against me and insult me for a simple question!
The argument over spoilers on Wikipedia is commonly referred to as "the spoiler wars" - drawn out, contentious, with a bunch of radicalized people on both sides. Since its settled, people are understandably not interested in seeing it come up again.
Nathan
Nathan wrote:
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Alvaro Garcia alvareo@gmail.com wrote:
Man, I'd never think everyone would be against me and insult me for a simple question!
The argument over spoilers on Wikipedia is commonly referred to as "the spoiler wars" - drawn out, contentious, with a bunch of radicalized people on both sides. Since its settled, people are understandably not interested in seeing it come up again.
Not interested, sure. But we probably shouldn't jump vigorously down the throats of people who come along and just ask, lest we give the impression that the radicalized people who got the quasiconsensus rammed through are afraid of having anything requestioned.
Thank you.
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 19:03, Steve Summit scs@eskimo.com wrote:
Nathan wrote:
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Alvaro Garcia alvareo@gmail.com wrote:
Man, I'd never think everyone would be against me and insult me for a simple question!
The argument over spoilers on Wikipedia is commonly referred to as "the spoiler wars" - drawn out, contentious, with a bunch of radicalized people on both sides. Since its settled, people are understandably not interested in seeing it come up again.
Not interested, sure. But we probably shouldn't jump vigorously down the throats of people who come along and just ask, lest we give the impression that the radicalized people who got the quasiconsensus rammed through are afraid of having anything requestioned.
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We are not a movie guide, but an encyclopedia. There are a great many reasons why people might want to read an encyclopedia article about a movie. Very high among them is to find out about the movies one hasn't seen and never will.
If you want a movie guide to read up on whether you want to go to or rent a movie, there are more appropriate sources.
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Alvaro García alvareo@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not saying I'd rather have a one-line plot, I'm just saying that spoilers aren't that necessary. You go to the article to see if you go watch the movie, not to read it because you didn't get the chance to watch it.
-- Alvaro
On 07-02-2009, at 12:21, "K. Peachey" p858snake@yahoo.com.au wrote:
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Alvaro García alvareo@gmail.com w rote:
Hey,
I have a question: Every time I go to a movie page to know how it is, I read the Plot section. However, I have realised that 95% of them write about key twists or scenes and they even tell the ending. I have thought of editing some of them, but I thought I'd rather ask here first.
Are movie articles supposed to tell you ALL the movie?
Thank you,
-- Alvaro
Yes, otherwise it would be like "Harry Potter is a wizard" you might like to look at [[en:wp:spoiler]] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spoiler
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Are articles do not exist to be commercials. While YOU may use the article as a movie review to see if you want to watch the movie, other readers may use them for many other purposes. Would you read any of our other articles just to see if you want to read their references?
[[en:user:xaosflux]]
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alvaro García" alvareo@gmail.com To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles
I'm not saying I'd rather have a one-line plot, I'm just saying that spoilers aren't that necessary. You go to the article to see if you go watch the movie, not to read it because you didn't get the chance to watch it.
-- Alvaro
On 07-02-2009, at 12:21, "K. Peachey" p858snake@yahoo.com.au wrote:
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Alvaro García alvareo@gmail.com w rote:
Hey,
I have a question: Every time I go to a movie page to know how it is, I read the Plot section. However, I have realised that 95% of them write about key twists or scenes and they even tell the ending. I have thought of editing some of them, but I thought I'd rather ask here first.
Are movie articles supposed to tell you ALL the movie?
Thank you,
-- Alvaro
Yes, otherwise it would be like "Harry Potter is a wizard" you might like to look at [[en:wp:spoiler]] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spoiler
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The discussion's closed. You're being aggressive and redundant. Thank you.
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 15:31, xaosflux xaosflux@gmail.com wrote:
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Alvaro García" alvareo@gmail.com To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles
I'm not saying I'd rather have a one-line plot, I'm just saying that spoilers aren't that necessary. You go to the article to see if you go watch the movie, not to read it because you didn't get the chance to watch it.
-- Alvaro
On 07-02-2009, at 12:21, "K. Peachey" p858snake@yahoo.com.au wrote:
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Alvaro García alvareo@gmail.com w rote:
Hey,
I have a question: Every time I go to a movie page to know how it is, I read the Plot section. However, I have realised that 95% of them write about key twists or scenes and they even tell the ending. I have thought of editing some of them, but I thought I'd rather ask here first.
Are movie articles supposed to tell you ALL the movie?
Thank you,
-- Alvaro
Yes, otherwise it would be like "Harry Potter is a wizard" you might like to look at [[en:wp:spoiler]] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spoiler
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On Sun, 8 Feb 2009, xaosflux wrote:
While YOU may use the article as a movie review to see if you want to watch the movie, other readers may use them for many other purposes.
This statement is trivially true no matter what phrase you substitute in. *Any* purpose for using an article is one that only a minority of readers will have. If it's wrong to put something in because only a minority of readers will use or need it, then we shouldn't even have articles.
Besides, the reader who wishes to use the article for other purposes just has to ignore the spoiler warning. It's not like it prevents other readers from using the article the way they want.
Would you read any of our other articles just to see if you want to read their references?
This is about an article which has a work as a *subject*, and only secondarily if at all as a reference. I wouldn't read our article about potatoes to decide if I want to read a particular book about potatoes, but that's because the book really is just a reference; the subject of the article is potatoes, not potato books.
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Ken Arromdee arromdee@rahul.net wrote:
On Sun, 8 Feb 2009, xaosflux wrote:
While YOU may use the article as a movie review to see if you want to watch the movie, other readers may use them for many other purposes.
This statement is trivially true no matter what phrase you substitute in. *Any* purpose for using an article is one that only a minority of readers will have. If it's wrong to put something in because only a minority of readers will use or need it, then we shouldn't even have articles.
Besides, the reader who wishes to use the article for other purposes just has to ignore the spoiler warning. It's not like it prevents other readers from using the article the way they want.
Would you read any of our other articles just to see if you want to read their references?
This is about an article which has a work as a *subject*, and only secondarily if at all as a reference. I wouldn't read our article about potatoes to decide if I want to read a particular book about potatoes, but that's because the book really is just a reference; the subject of the article is potatoes, not potato books.
Though we do have articles on research areas and the books in them. More usually categories, though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Shakespearean_scholarship http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare%27s_Politics_(book) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Shakespeare_criticism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Books_by_topic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:History_books
Some are very specific:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Books_about_the_atomic_bombings_of_Hir... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Holocaust_books
I couldn't rule out looking to see if a book had an article on Wikipedia before buying it, or more likely, reading about the author. But I would, admittedly, be more likely to read a review somewhere, though I *might* come to Wikipedia to find a review through the article.
Carcharoth