*Jim Schuler* jim62sch at gmail.com <wikien-l%40Wikipedia.org?Subject=%5BWikiEN-l%5D%20Admins%20who%20pretend%20to%20quit%20%28was%20Re%3A%20MONGO%20and%20the%0A%09ArbComm%29&In-Reply-To=46d9b7490612121324x44948df2h1aaaa3d5d96b4e28%40mail.gmail.com> wrote:
Happens in the real world too, it's just a part of life. People get frustrated, they threaten to leave, they calm down and on it goes. I know that some people like to think Wikipedia is some parallel universe where
the
laws of reality are suspended and a Utopian ideal is supreme, but Wikipedians are flesh and blood real people whose flesh and blood emotions penetrate the brane separating Wikiworld from the real world.
In the real world if someone quit their job, emptied out their desk and then came back after 3 days saying they'd changed their mind it would be up to the boss to decide whether or not they can come back. If a boss said "sorry, you resigned and I accepted your resignation" there's not an employment tribunal in the world that would force the boss to rehire the employee.
Mongo quit, fine, that's his right, but if he changes his mind after 3 days he should not expect to get his Admin status back. He's losing it anyway because of ArbComm so the point's moot but if that wasn't the case it should be up to the community whether he gets his admin status back after giving it up by quitting.
Frankly, it looks like his "resignation" was a stunt to try to rally support against the ArbComm decision to desysop him. That is disruptive but its the sort of disruption that would be curtailed by a "you quit, you're desysopped" rule.
And again, there's nothing here that would punish someone for taking a wikibreak as long as they didn't claim that they were quitting when they really were just taking a break.
Michel
On 12/12/06, M Roget mroget@gmail.com wrote: [snip]
Frankly, it looks like his "resignation" was a stunt to try to rally support against the ArbComm decision to desysop him. That is disruptive but its the sort of disruption that would be curtailed by a "you quit, you're desysopped" rule.
And again, there's nothing here that would punish someone for taking a wikibreak as long as they didn't claim that they were quitting when they really were just taking a break.
Exactly.
I don't want to exacerbate problems for folks who are upset.. but at the same time, we can't let people disrupt or manipulate us with drama.
Our practices shape the way our contributors behave. We'd and all our contributors would be better off if people took breaks rather than made big productions about quitting.
Of course, it wouldn't be fair to apply this to anyone who has already quit prior to it being established.. after all the intent should be to discourage disruption, not to punish folks for being human.
On 12/12/06, M Roget mroget@gmail.com wrote:
Frankly, it looks like his "resignation" was a stunt to try to rally support against the ArbComm decision to desysop him.
This is a massive failure to assume good faith, and see [[Law of excluded middle]].
One can be concerned about the issues which Arbcom is voting on desysopping over, and not want MONGO to leave the project, or agree that desysopping is the only or even most appropriate solution.