Craig Hubley lives in Toronto Canada. He is a founder of P146 -- a group which advocates regional secession from the Canadian national government; as well as from Toronto, Ontario, and the UN. He is a fan of the movie "Fight Club". He has a degree in mathematics, from the University of Toronto, Waterloo (1987). He enjoys writing reviews for Amazon.com. He is associated with the Free University of Toronto, the Unicus Corporation, the Green Party, and Craig Hubley & Associates. He is a fan of Winona LaDuke.
It is easy enough, if you so desire, to search the internet and obtain his phone, fax, email, associates, friends, resume, education, personal correspondence, home address, and place of employment.
Notable Quotes by Mr. Hubley a.. But I have made up my mind whose side I fight on, and I would cut fifty human baby throats to save one gorilla. In the 1960s there were "race traitors". I am a "species traitor". Take that as you will, but perhaps you see some reason now why I am not going to be participating in any great depth in any advice beyond the economy, which all Anthropoid nations participate in, whether willing to, or not... b.. The only real standard for money used by human beings for human concerns should be free time... I can buy a comfortable hour of being left alone by everyone to consume any non-material comfort that I want, for one US$. How's that? The government operates "don't bug me" isolation tanks for one dollar an hour to guarantee that price, and all of them have a cot and toilet and lots of Internet bandwidth... with programs set up to route people together who belong together. c.. In Canada our most educated observers have concluded that the PRovinces are pernicious instruments for exploiting natural capital as resources. Jane Jacobs, the noted urbanologist, advocates the city-state solution. We should be talking about how the NAFTA region, and then the OAS region, can develop workable investment and currency liquidity standards so that there is no "Rent-seeking" nor "race to the bottom" in either bloc.
I'm not sure what the point of all this was, but anyhow for anyone who doesn't understand what this is about, there is a longstanding theory that '24' is Craig Hubley. I'm less certain about '142'.
Nonetheless, I'd like to point out that Mr. Hubley's interesting political theories are unrelated to his ban, which is on strictly behavioral grounds. Lots of people, and I include myself without hesitation or reservation, believe all manner of things that the majority might find ludicrous, but so long as they can work together in a friendly and peaceful way, they are welcome here.
--Jimbo
Seeing as how Mr. Hubley on his web site takes credit for one of 142.177.etc's trademark articles, I believe there is every reason to believe that Hubley and 142.177.etc are one and the same, unless there is some evidence to the contrary.
However, I must take issue with the implied suggestion some have made that we undertake to bombard Hubley with e-mail, phone calls, legal threats, and personal visits. Such a response would be ineffective and inconsistent with our core values. In particular, it would be our misfortune to believe that we hold some sort of trump card which we can play to win the trick, as nothing could be further from the truth. Our strength is in numbers and cumulative tenacity. Revert and delete as necessary. Carry on.
Louis Kyu Won Ryu
Jimmy Wales wrote:
I'm not sure what the point of all this was, but anyhow for anyone who doesn't understand what this is about, there is a longstanding theory that '24' is Craig Hubley. I'm less certain about '142'.
Nonetheless, I'd like to point out that Mr. Hubley's interesting political theories are unrelated to his ban, which is on strictly behavioral grounds. Lots of people, and I include myself without hesitation or reservation, believe all manner of things that the majority might find ludicrous, but so long as they can work together in a friendly and peaceful way, they are welcome here.
--Jimbo
Louis Kyu Won Ryu wrote:
Seeing as how Mr. Hubley on his web site takes credit for one of 142.177.etc's trademark articles, I believe there is every reason to believe that Hubley and 142.177.etc are one and the same, unless there is some evidence to the contrary.
O.k., that's reasonably conclusive then. What is his website? (I have a feeling I missed something.)
However, I must take issue with the implied suggestion some have made that we undertake to bombard Hubley with e-mail, phone calls, legal threats, and personal visits. Such a response would be ineffective and inconsistent with our core values.
I agree absolutely 100%. Just leave him alone, please. If he'll leave us alone, we should leave him alone. If he *won't* leave us alone, then we can proceed in a professional manner to try to address the problem.
--Jimbo
Jimmy Wales wrote:
Louis Kyu Won Ryu wrote:
Seeing as how Mr. Hubley on his web site takes credit for one of 142.177.etc's trademark articles, I believe there is every reason to believe that Hubley and 142.177.etc are one and the same, unless there is some evidence to the contrary.
O.k., that's reasonably conclusive then. What is his website? (I have a feeling I missed something.)
You missed an article I placed at [[Craig Hubley]] chronicling his various other achievements, including a link to his personal website and a brief, factual summary of his involvement here and at MeatBall. For nearly a thousand UseNet posts, many of them meaty, I thought it appropriate.
The article was unilaterially deleted without being first listed on VfD. I have since listed it on votes for undeletion, but nobody cares.
But, Jimbo, you're a sysop, right? So you can check out the deleted article and its link to his personal website.
Louis
At 08:33 AM 11/4/03 -0600, Louis wrote:
Jimmy Wales wrote:
Louis Kyu Won Ryu wrote:
Seeing as how Mr. Hubley on his web site takes credit for one of 142.177.etc's trademark articles, I believe there is every reason to believe that Hubley and 142.177.etc are one and the same, unless there is some evidence to the contrary.
O.k., that's reasonably conclusive then. What is his website? (I have a feeling I missed something.)
You missed an article I placed at [[Craig Hubley]] chronicling his various other achievements, including a link to his personal website and a brief, factual summary of his involvement here and at MeatBall. For nearly a thousand UseNet posts, many of them meaty, I thought it appropriate.
Does this mean you need to write an article on me? I've probably done far more than a thousand Usenet posts, even if you don't count reposting a FAQ every 30 days.
I suspect that articles on banned users will cause more trouble than they're worth, unless/until we hit the point that someone we'd be writing about anyway contributes and is then banned.
Vicki Rosenzweig wrote:
Does this mean you need to write an article on me? I've probably done far more than a thousand Usenet posts, even if you don't count reposting a FAQ every 30 days.
I would say anyone who generates Results 1 - 100 of about 3,870 hits on Google probably has enough of an internet career that an article might be appropriate.
Probably true of a lot of us.
Fred
There are verifiable facts about me, news reports and what-not, but I would prefer if there were no article about me, as a matter of modesty and good taste. I don't see any reason for us to have a hard-and-fast rule about this, but would like to encourage a social meme of similar modesty from other contributors.
At a very minimum, it seems most tasteful for anyone about whom we do have an entry to recuse themselves from working on it.
From: Jimmy Wales Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:27 AM To: English Wikipedia Subject: [WikiEN-l] Articles about ourselves
There are verifiable facts about me, news reports and what-not, but I would prefer if there were no article about me, as a matter of modesty and good taste. I don't see any reason for us to have a hard-and-fast rule about this, but would like to encourage a social meme of similar modesty from other contributors.
At a very minimum, it seems most tasteful for anyone about whom we do have an entry to recuse themselves from working on it.
I think it's reasonable to discourage entries about contributors, but I think it's unreasonable to expect people to recuse themselves from working on their own entries. We don't generally expect people to recuse themselves from areas in which they are experts. We should, however, expect people to be rational and impersonal when working on their entries...that is, be held to the same standards of verifiability and respect for others' edits.
One question: why is this on the wikien list and not general wikipedia list? Are we trying to establish different mores and guidelines on all the wikipedia language versions?
Fred Bauder wrote:
I would say anyone who generates Results 1 - 100 of about 3,870 hits on Google probably has enough of an internet career that an article might be appropriate.
Probably true of a lot of us.
I'd tend to disagree. In a very computer-centric view (if say, this were the Slashdot Encyclopedia of the Internet) that would make sense, but in a wider view, simply posting a lot to UseNet is about equivalent to saying "I'm a member of a lot of knitting clubs".
-Mark
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Delirium wrote:
I'd tend to disagree. In a very computer-centric view (if say, this were the Slashdot Encyclopedia of the Internet) that would make sense, but in a wider view, simply posting a lot to UseNet is about equivalent to saying "I'm a member of a lot of knitting clubs".
I agree.
Besides, being easily searched for online is as much to do with having a rare name as anything else. There are a thousand people with my name (Matthew Brown) online -- that doesn't mean I haven't posted as much nonsense as Craig Hubley.
Mr Hubley is also one of those 'legend in his own mind' people -- he wants fame, he wants to be a mover and shaker, a trendsetter, a predictor. Let's not give it to him.
-Matt