Mark:
The biggest problem with Wikipedia is people take themselves far too seriously, they can't lighten up, and when a minor slight causes them to run to "WP:CIVIL" or "WP:NPA" like a wounded virgin yelling as if she were the raped Lucretia.
...and *that* really pisses people off.
And taking the self-righteous posturing of "oh, this is just a friendly reminder to abide by WP:CIVIL" is often unfriendly, condescending, and above all, counter-productive. Making mountains out of molehills, and raising tempests in a teapot. People, and sorry to say, you're one of them...really need to lighten up and lower their defensive walls, because often, they're the cause of their own problems.
After all, they say the path to hell is paved with good intentions.
P.S. Your emails are breaking mailing list threads in Gmail.
I don't even begin to know what that means, and as a result I'm inclined to not really care.
Regards, Christopher D. Thieme
--- Christopher Thieme cdthieme@gmail.com wrote:
Making mountains out of molehills, and raising tempests in a teapot.
Such as escalating your annoyance about an off-list message back onto the list?
People... need to lighten up and lower their defensive walls, because often, they're the cause of their own problems.
This is sometimes true. It is also sometimes true that people need to be more careful with how they express themselves to avoid giving offence to others. In many cases, both are true. Wikipedians have such diverse backgrounds that we need to make allowances in both directions.
P.S. Your emails are breaking mailing list threads in Gmail.
I don't even begin to know what that means, and as a result I'm inclined to not really care.
You should probably care: your emails break the sequence connecting a reply to the original message, and not just in Gmail by the looks of things. Each of your emails appears to be the start of a new thread, rather than being a reply to an old one.
-- Matt
Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Matt_Crypto Blog: http://cipher-text.blogspot.com
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From: Matt R matt_crypto@yahoo.co.uk Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 10:27:44 +0000 (GMT) To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] incivility.
--- Christopher Thieme cdthieme@gmail.com wrote:
Making mountains out of molehills, and raising tempests in a teapot.
Such as escalating your annoyance about an off-list message back onto the list?
People... need to lighten up and lower their defensive walls, because often, they're the cause of their own problems.
This is sometimes true. It is also sometimes true that people need to be more careful with how they express themselves to avoid giving offence to others. In many cases, both are true. Wikipedians have such diverse backgrounds that we need to make allowances in both directions.
A simple test: After you have written something - before you hit 'send' - look at what you have written and ask yourself, "Would I say the exact same thing, in exactly the same way if I were talking with the person face to face?"
Marc Riddell
P.S. Your emails are breaking mailing list threads in Gmail.
I don't even begin to know what that means, and as a result I'm inclined to not really care.
You should probably care: your emails break the sequence connecting a reply to the original message, and not just in Gmail by the looks of things. Each of your emails appears to be the start of a new thread, rather than being a reply to an old one.
-- Matt
Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Matt_Crypto Blog: http://cipher-text.blogspot.com
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On 16/01/07, Christopher Thieme cdthieme@gmail.com wrote:
P.S. Your emails are breaking mailing list threads in Gmail.
I don't even begin to know what that means, and as a result I'm inclined to not really care.
Way to go on the "considering other people" front there.
Gmail groups email replies together as "conversations" (known in other mail clients as "threads"). Every time you send a reply to this list, you break these conversations apart, because whatever you are using to write email with is not including the In-Reply-To header. Before you say "I don't know what that is so I don't care", I suggest you read about email headers at http://www.stopspam.org/email/headers.html, and if you still want to plead ignorance, you can continue to RFC 822, the specification document originally defining it, at http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc822.html. Given that RFC 822 sees its twenty-fifth birthday this August, your mail client clearly has some issues to address.
The upshot of all this is that your messages effectively double the number of apparent conversations in Gmail users' WikiEN-l mailboxes, which is annoying, and your attitude is even more so. Please devote the time necessary to identify and rectify both issues.