I have moved Fred's controversial edits to a separate page from [[Communist state]]. Given that they amount to a critique of communist government and governance (not the theoretical discussion of a system where party and government are blurred together) I have provisionally called it [[Communist government]] (well my suggestion was slightly different but Taku turned it into that) though someone may be able to come up with a better title. It is now linked to the Communist state page, allowing the Cs page to be what it was designed to be and what its opening paragraph says it is about, a definition of a particular constitutional system, not a discussion on communISM.
Fred can work on his linked page there to try to NPOV it and give it some degree of balance (and to avoid sweeping generalisations in preference to solid analysis), while its analysis is linked to the [[Communist state]] page (along with other links like [[Forms of government]], [[China]] etc. Having spent so much time reverting [[China]] originally to remove the term [[Communist state]], then when that failed gone to [[Communist state]] and tried to POV it and add in stuff that was not linked to a definition (the page was specially created in the first place to explain to him what the term meant!) maybe now he can pull together a proper encyclopædic article without constantly reverting everyone else's work and completely changing the meanings of what they had written in mysterious 'minor' edits. A properly written encyclopædic article can augment the article on the political science definition, with each linked to the other. But the [[Communist government]] article needs a hell of a lot of work to reach that standard. Hopefully it will get that and reach that standard.
JT
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Hmm...what should be done about your controversial edits, then?
james duffy wrote:
I have moved Fred's controversial edits to a separate page from [[Communist state]]. Given that they amount to a critique of communist government and governance (not the theoretical discussion of a system where party and government are blurred together) I have provisionally called it [[Communist government]] (well my suggestion was slightly different but Taku turned it into that) though someone may be able to come up with a better title. It is now linked to the Communist state page, allowing the Cs page to be what it was designed to be and what its opening paragraph says it is about, a definition of a particular constitutional system, not a discussion on communISM.
Fred can work on his linked page there to try to NPOV it and give it some degree of balance (and to avoid sweeping generalisations in preference to solid analysis), while its analysis is linked to the [[Communist state]] page (along with other links like [[Forms of government]], [[China]] etc. Having spent so much time reverting [[China]] originally to remove the term [[Communist state]], then when that failed gone to [[Communist state]] and tried to POV it and add in stuff that was not linked to a definition (the page was specially created in the first place to explain to him what the term meant!) maybe now he can pull together a proper encyclopædic article without constantly reverting everyone else's work and completely changing the meanings of what they had written in mysterious 'minor' edits. A properly written encyclopædic article can augment the article on the political science definition, with each linked to the other. But the [[Communist government]] article needs a hell of a lot of work to reach that standard. Hopefully it will get that and reach that standard.
I have a lot (way too many) of other irons in the fire so I doubt I'll make much personal imput but both articles (and any others in the same vein) remain subject to the normal editing process.
Deleting large blocks of someone elses edits or engaging in automatic reverts will remain problematic.
That day (when I started all this) and made the two provocative edits to [[China]] (making a link to [[autoritarianism and totalitarianism]] in the first paragraph) and the other to [[United States]] (I guess the Watchers' Council is not so well organized on that front) I guess I was acting rather confrontive and reckless. "Tragedies happen when you are bored"
Fred
From: cprompt cprompt@tmbg.org Reply-To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 02:54:46 -0400 To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Fred's work given its own article
Hmm...what should be done about your controversial edits, then?
james duffy wrote:
I have moved Fred's controversial edits to a separate page from [[Communist state]]. Given that they amount to a critique of communist government and governance (not the theoretical discussion of a system where party and government are blurred together) I have provisionally called it [[Communist government]] (well my suggestion was slightly different but Taku turned it into that) though someone may be able to come up with a better title. It is now linked to the Communist state page, allowing the Cs page to be what it was designed to be and what its opening paragraph says it is about, a definition of a particular constitutional system, not a discussion on communISM.
Fred can work on his linked page there to try to NPOV it and give it some degree of balance (and to avoid sweeping generalisations in preference to solid analysis), while its analysis is linked to the [[Communist state]] page (along with other links like [[Forms of government]], [[China]] etc. Having spent so much time reverting [[China]] originally to remove the term [[Communist state]], then when that failed gone to [[Communist state]] and tried to POV it and add in stuff that was not linked to a definition (the page was specially created in the first place to explain to him what the term meant!) maybe now he can pull together a proper encyclopædic article without constantly reverting everyone else's work and completely changing the meanings of what they had written in mysterious 'minor' edits. A properly written encyclopædic article can augment the article on the political science definition, with each linked to the other. But the [[Communist government]] article needs a hell of a lot of work to reach that standard. Hopefully it will get that and reach that standard.
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I have a lot (way too many) of other irons in the fire so I doubt I'll make much personal imput but both articles (and any others in the same vein) remain subject to the normal editing process.
Deleting large blocks of someone elses edits or engaging in automatic reverts will remain problematic.
That day (when I started all this) and made the two provocative edits to [[China]] (making a link to [[autoritarianism and totalitarianism]] in the first paragraph) and the other to [[United States]] (I guess the Watchers' Council is not so well organized on that front) I guess I was acting rather confrontive and reckless. "Tragedies happen when you are bored"
Fred
From: cprompt cprompt@tmbg.org Reply-To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 02:54:46 -0400 To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Fred's work given its own article
Hmm...what should be done about your controversial edits, then?
james duffy wrote:
I have moved Fred's controversial edits to a separate page from [[Communist state]]. Given that they amount to a critique of communist government and governance (not the theoretical discussion of a system where party and government are blurred together) I have provisionally called it [[Communist government]] (well my suggestion was slightly different but Taku turned it into that) though someone may be able to come up with a better title. It is now linked to the Communist state page, allowing the Cs page to be what it was designed to be and what its opening paragraph says it is about, a definition of a particular constitutional system, not a discussion on communISM.
Fred can work on his linked page there to try to NPOV it and give it some degree of balance (and to avoid sweeping generalisations in preference to solid analysis), while its analysis is linked to the [[Communist state]] page (along with other links like [[Forms of government]], [[China]] etc. Having spent so much time reverting [[China]] originally to remove the term [[Communist state]], then when that failed gone to [[Communist state]] and tried to POV it and add in stuff that was not linked to a definition (the page was specially created in the first place to explain to him what the term meant!) maybe now he can pull together a proper encyclopædic article without constantly reverting everyone else's work and completely changing the meanings of what they had written in mysterious 'minor' edits. A properly written encyclopædic article can augment the article on the political science definition, with each linked to the other. But the [[Communist government]] article needs a hell of a lot of work to reach that standard. Hopefully it will get that and reach that standard.
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