What? So you are saying that we can list items on VfD and /not/ make an attempt to inform the author and readers of the page that it is being considered for deletion? How are they supposed to know? I've already received several complaints from newbies who had their pages nuked without notice.

Unnecessary extra work? This type of a lack of due process is very, very unwiki.

-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)

At Usemod wiki (that means some of the older wikipedias) pages can be deleted and restored by anyone. And most wikis use Usemod. It can't be unwiki to do that.

LDan

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Erik wrote:

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I choose not to follow this policy as I consider it unnecessary extra work, but I don't mind if others add the boilerplate notice. (We already bend over backwards to inform newbies whenever they make a mistake.) Just don't remove pages I add to VfD or reset the timer because of the missing boilerplate.

What? So you are saying that we can list items on VfD and /not/ make an attempt to inform the author and readers of the page that it is being considered for deletion?

I'm saying that an individual user does not *have* to add the boilerplate notice for the page to be listed on VfD. It's already great if the user goes to the length of listing a problematic page on the often very long VfD page. 7 days are more than enough for interested parties to verify whether the page should indeed be deleted and if it is, it is almost certainly useless. Of course, someone else may add the notice when they see it missing.

If you want to make sure users are informed, you'd have to leave a message on their talk page as well. Certainly this kind of information is helpful, but from the perspective of Wikipedia as an encyclopedia, the deletion process can work without it, as it has for many months prior to this guideline (and I note that many users, including anons, have figured out that their pages were listed on VfD before we added the notice). It is similar to other boilerplate notices like "This article is a stub" or "This is a disambiguation page" -- these are not mandatory, but simply added by users when they notice them missing.

Making things optional and not mandatory is more wiki-like; it encourages others to jump in and add the missing text, while not forcing anyone to do anything. Yesterday I already noticed that you put a comment on someone's talk page: "You *must* say 'Listed on Votes for deletion' on the page you are listing. Otherwise the page will not get deleted." (Emphasis yours.) This kind of admonishment for violation of "rules" should IMHO be kept at a minimum.

Regards,

Erik