Well how about that. Come into wikipedia IRC chat, get ambushed by NicholasT who's on his usual rampage, get sworn at and called names and challenged to "prove" this, then kickbanned before I can respond by jerks who scream "troll"? Aren't you people real nice pieces of work, huh? A. Nony Mouse who's in the right even if the overinflated egos won't admit it.
On 8/10/05, A. Nony Mouse mousyme@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, I'll admit now. I'll own up. I violated [[WP:POINT]] in an amazing way.
Amazing for one reason, that is.
You see, my little social experiment, which was originally created just to see how Wikipedia's elites actually behaved, bore more fruit than I can count.
A few months back, I created two accounts. One was named KaintheScion, a reference to a video game. Remember it?
The other was named ElKabong. Named after the alternate identity of "Quick-Draw" McGraw, and a pun on how hot-tempered the Wikipedia high cabal muckymucks are.
The experiment worked brilliantly. Unfortunately, it also created a bit of a monster named David Gerard and a whole lot of sub-Monsters who saw an opportunity.
You see, ElKabong and KaintheScion were designed to break rules. Quickly. Painfully. They got everyone's attention. So much so that the actual procedures for dispute resolution were ignored. Nobody attempted to contact them. They went straight from a backwards, tilted RFC into a quick RFAR.
And then of course there were no less than SIX innocent users who got drawn in. Yep, that's right. I didn't even DO anything with the situation, save for calling for leniency when it was obvious another user was caught up in it.
Count 'em out.
- Enviroknot
- Kurita77
- Existentializer
- Ni-ju-Ichi
- Devilbat
- Pukachu
SIX users caught up in the David Gerard witch hunt. And that doesn't even count his decision to Mod-by-default this user list while screaming "Enviroknot" as his excuse.
And you all just went along with it. Now the name "Enviroknot" is like screaming "witch" in Salem while standing next to the Cotton Mather. And what's REALLY funny is that Enviroknot wasn't even one I created, he or she was just an innocent user that certain individuals decided to throw into the RFAR on a lark in order to get rid of an opponent on Islam-based pages.
So yeah. I violated WP:POINT because this point needed making. And as luck would have it, Gerard was nice enough to abuse the hell out of his authority and make my point FOR me.
Congratulations.
P.S. I know damn well this message won't get through to the en-l list, because Gerard would never admit to being played like a sucker. So I've BCC'ed it to plenty of individuals as well. No point in it going to waste.
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A. Nony Mouse wrote:
Well how about that. Come into wikipedia IRC chat, get ambushed by NicholasT who's on his usual rampage, get sworn at and called names and challenged to "prove" this, then kickbanned before I can respond by jerks who scream "troll"? Aren't you people real nice pieces of work, huh? A. Nony Mouse who's in the right even if the overinflated egos won't admit it.
I'm sorry, was there a point to this email?
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On 8/31/05, Alphax alphasigmax@gmail.com wrote:
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A. Nony Mouse wrote:
Well how about that. Come into wikipedia IRC chat, get ambushed by NicholasT who's on his usual rampage, get sworn at and called names and challenged to "prove" this, then kickbanned before I can respond by jerks who scream "troll"? Aren't you people real nice pieces of work, huh? A. Nony Mouse who's in the right even if the overinflated egos won't admit it.
I'm sorry, was there a point to this email?
Alphax | /"\
His grapes went sour
Sam
No, merely a happy observation of how the cabal-in-control Never practice the "good faith" that they spend so much time preaching. A. Nony Mouse
On 8/31/05, Sam Korn smoddy@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/31/05, Alphax alphasigmax@gmail.com wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160
A. Nony Mouse wrote:
Well how about that. Come into wikipedia IRC chat, get ambushed by NicholasT who's on his
usual
rampage, get sworn at and called names and challenged to "prove" this,
then
kickbanned before I can respond by jerks who scream "troll"? Aren't you people real nice pieces of work, huh? A. Nony Mouse who's in the right even if the overinflated egos won't admit it.
I'm sorry, was there a point to this email?
Alphax | /"\
His grapes went sour
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On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 23:27 -0500, A. Nony Mouse wrote:
No, merely a happy observation of how the cabal-in-control Never practice the "good faith" that they spend so much time preaching. A. Nony Mouse
Good sir, this dissent is not allowed on Wikipedia. I have forwarded this e-mail to cabal-l, where we will soon reach a decision on how best to make you "disappear."
Sincerely,
Christopher Larberg Vice-President of Communications, Wikimedia Cabal
On 9/1/05, Christopher Larberg christopherlarberg@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 23:27 -0500, A. Nony Mouse wrote:
No, merely a happy observation of how the cabal-in-control Never
practice
the "good faith" that they spend so much time preaching. A. Nony Mouse
Good sir, this dissent is not allowed on Wikipedia. I have forwarded this e-mail to cabal-l, where we will soon reach a decision on how best to make you "disappear."
Sincerely,
Christopher Larberg Vice-President of Communications, Wikimedia Cabal
While personally I'm quick to recognize the attempted humor and shake off almost all alleged threats, I'd like to point out that threats far vaguer than this resulted in the permanent block of another user recently that was also thoroughly discussed on this mailing list.
Call me a killjoy if you must, but this is simply inappropriate.
On 9/1/05, Michael Turley michael.turley@gmail.com wrote:
On 9/1/05, Christopher Larberg christopherlarberg@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 23:27 -0500, A. Nony Mouse wrote:
No, merely a happy observation of how the cabal-in-control Never
practice
the "good faith" that they spend so much time preaching. A. Nony Mouse
Good sir, this dissent is not allowed on Wikipedia. I have forwarded this e-mail to cabal-l, where we will soon reach a decision on how best to make you "disappear."
Sincerely,
Christopher Larberg Vice-President of Communications, Wikimedia Cabal
While personally I'm quick to recognize the attempted humor and shake off almost all alleged threats, I'd like to point out that threats far vaguer than this resulted in the permanent block of another user recently that was also thoroughly discussed on this mailing list.
Call me a killjoy if you must, but this is simply inappropriate.
I should clarify that it is only my own personal opinion that this is inappropriate. I did not to intend to sound like I was making a declaration on behalf of anyone other than myself.
You can still call me a killjoy if you want to. ;)
Michael Turley wrote:
On 9/1/05, Christopher Larberg christopherlarberg@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 23:27 -0500, A. Nony Mouse wrote:
No, merely a happy observation of how the cabal-in-control Never
practice
the "good faith" that they spend so much time preaching. A. Nony Mouse
Good sir, this dissent is not allowed on Wikipedia. I have forwarded this e-mail to cabal-l, where we will soon reach a decision on how best to make you "disappear."
Sincerely,
Christopher Larberg Vice-President of Communications, Wikimedia Cabal
While personally I'm quick to recognize the attempted humor and shake off almost all alleged threats, I'd like to point out that threats far vaguer than this resulted in the permanent block of another user recently that was also thoroughly discussed on this mailing list.
Call me a killjoy if you must, but this is simply inappropriate.
:-D :-D I suppose that the only fair way to react to this vision of a threat there is to laugh at it the way one would for any other joke. :-D :-D
Ec
While personally I'm quick to recognize the attempted humor and shake off almost all alleged threats, I'd like to point out that threats far vaguer than this resulted in the permanent block of another user recently that was also thoroughly discussed on this mailing list.
Call me a killjoy if you must, but this is simply inappropriate.
I agree with you, Michael. Death threats, even when they are meant as jokes, are in poor taste and not appropriate for Wikipedia. I'm not saying the person making the above comment should be banned, of course. (In fact I suspect that Michael and I would be among the first people to protest such an idea.) But it's probably a good idea to take care that jokes can not be misread. The person making completely inappropriate comments on Jimbo's family may well have considered himself to be "making a joke" (I don't know enough of the specifics of that case to be sure).
Here's another example that I came across recently. The following is a post containing a short list of people the poster considers to be acting in bad faith and to have a revolting agenda (i.e. trolling?):
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Blocking_policy&...
And here is a message by the same poster, made the same morning, expressing the idea that an [[AK-74]] assault rifle with the safety off is a useful tool to deal with trolls:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SlimVirgin&diff=2194...
If one were so inclined one could take those posts together (or the second one alone) to constitute a death threat. I am not so inclined. Like Michael I attempt to be "quick to recognize the attempted humor". The AK-74 post is no doubt meant as an innocent way to compliment Sarah for her valor in resisting vandals and trolls. I would, however, have preferred another metaphor.
Regards, Haukur
On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 20:54 +0000, Haukur Þorgeirsson wrote:
I agree with you, Michael. Death threats, even when they are meant as jokes, are in poor taste and not appropriate for Wikipedia. I'm not saying the person making the above comment should be banned, of course. (In fact I suspect that Michael and I would be among the first people to protest such an idea.) But it's probably a good idea to take care that jokes can not be misread. The person making completely inappropriate comments on Jimbo's family may well have considered himself to be "making a joke" (I don't know enough of the specifics of that case to be sure).
Woah, death threats? By "disappear," I meant "disappear from Wikipedia," since a common accusation leveled by disgruntled users is that admins are trying to make their edits, spam pages, or whatever else "go away." Guess I need to be a little more careful with my humor.
--Christopher Larberg ([[w:en:User:Slowking Man]])
Actually, the rule is "assume good faith until bad faith announces itself."
Which it did from day one with you, and continues to.
-Snowspinner
On Sep 1, 2005, at 12:27 AM, A. Nony Mouse wrote:
No, merely a happy observation of how the cabal-in-control Never practice the "good faith" that they spend so much time preaching. A. Nony Mouse
On 8/31/05, Sam Korn smoddy@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/31/05, Alphax alphasigmax@gmail.com wrote:
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A. Nony Mouse wrote:
Well how about that. Come into wikipedia IRC chat, get ambushed by NicholasT who's on his
usual
rampage, get sworn at and called names and challenged to "prove" this,
then
kickbanned before I can respond by jerks who scream "troll"? Aren't you people real nice pieces of work, huh? A. Nony Mouse who's in the right even if the overinflated egos won't admit it.
I'm sorry, was there a point to this email?
Alphax | /"\
His grapes went sour
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On 9/1/05, Snowspinner Snowspinner@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, the rule is "assume good faith until bad faith announces itself."
Which it did from day one with you, and continues to.
-Snowspinner
On Sep 1, 2005, at 12:27 AM, A. Nony Mouse wrote:
No, merely a happy observation of how the cabal-in-control Never practice the "good faith" that they spend so much time preaching. A. Nony Mouse
On 8/31/05, Sam Korn smoddy@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/31/05, Alphax alphasigmax@gmail.com wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160
A. Nony Mouse wrote:
Well how about that. Come into wikipedia IRC chat, get ambushed by NicholasT who's on his
usual
rampage, get sworn at and called names and challenged to "prove" this,
then
kickbanned before I can respond by jerks who scream "troll"? Aren't you people real nice pieces of work, huh? A. Nony Mouse who's in the right even if the overinflated egos won't admit it.
I'm sorry, was there a point to this email?
Alphax | /"\
His grapes went sour
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