Well after the recent lengthy discussion and civility etc on this list, and this http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_adminship%2FBackslash_Forwardslash&diff=270554330&oldid=270553832comment, I've been thinking about a solution for incivility. Wouldn't a 3RR-like system be good? Users get a warning for a personal attack, and if they do it again a short block. There's obviously the problem that different people regard different things as personal attacks, but it's food for thought....
2009/2/15 Patton 123 pattonabc@gmail.com:
Well after the recent lengthy discussion and civility etc on this list, and this http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_adminship%2FBackslash_Forwardslash&diff=270554330&oldid=270553832comment, I've been thinking about a solution for incivility. Wouldn't a 3RR-like system be good? Users get a warning for a personal attack, and if they do it again a short block. There's obviously the problem that different people regard different things as personal attacks, but it's food for thought....
How is that different to current policy?
On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:34:28 +0000, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
2009/2/15 Patton 123 pattonabc@gmail.com:
Well after the recent lengthy discussion and civility etc on this list, and this
I've been thinking about a solution for incivility. Wouldn't a 3RR-like system be good? Users get a warning for a personal attack, and if they
do
it again a short block. There's obviously the problem that different people regard different things as personal attacks, but it's food for thought....
How is that different to current policy?
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Current policy prescribes a 24H block for 3RR violations on both editors. I don't see a similar policy on incivility. That is the difference.
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Jon
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 7:50 PM, scream@datascreamer.com wrote:
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Current policy prescribes a 24H block for 3RR violations on both editors. I don't see a similar policy on incivility. That is the difference.
It's an interesting idea. If all civility blocks were limited in length to 24 hours, then *bans* (o longer blocks) for ongoing incivility could get dealt with at another level? Equally, appeals against civility blocks could see them overturned (to avoid people using incivility blocks as a weapon in a dispute). At the moment, people disagree over how long an incivility block should be. Maybe it should be more like a slap on the wrist and serve your time, than either "ignore" or "warn" or "block indefinitely"?
Carcharoth
On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:32:55 +0000, Patton 123 pattonabc@gmail.com wrote:
Well after the recent lengthy discussion and civility etc on this list, and this
I've been thinking about a solution for incivility. Wouldn't a 3RR-like system be good? Users get a warning for a personal attack, and if they do it again a short block. There's obviously the problem that different people regard different things as personal attacks, but it's food for
thought....
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No, I don't think so. Short 3RR blocks for incivility would be punitive since the logic would be "For incivility you get a 24H block as punishment". I would posit that a warning to the editor would suffice, then based on the asshattedness of the editor, a preventative block. Unblock as soon as they assert that they will not repeat the offense.
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You could look at these as being punitive, of course, as they would be a deterence, but they certainly are not retribution, we're not "getting people back" for incivility. How is that different from 3RR?
Patton 123 wrote:
Well after the recent lengthy discussion and civility etc on this list, and this http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_adminship%2FBackslash_Forwardslash&diff=270554330&oldid=270553832comment, I've been thinking about a solution for incivility. Wouldn't a 3RR-like system be good? Users get a warning for a personal attack, and if they do it again a short block. There's obviously the problem that different people regard different things as personal attacks, but it's food for thought....
Definition of incivility is clearly important. I find no incivility in the linked diff.
Ec
"I hate Ottava Rima" (An editor) is clearly incivility
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
Patton 123 wrote:
Well after the recent lengthy discussion and civility etc on this list, and this <
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_adminship...
comment, I've been thinking about a solution for incivility. Wouldn't a 3RR-like system be good? Users get a warning for a personal attack, and if they do
it
again a short block. There's obviously the problem that different people regard different things as personal attacks, but it's food for
thought....
Definition of incivility is clearly important. I find no incivility in the linked diff.
Ec
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On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Patton 123 pattonabc@gmail.com wrote:
"I hate Ottava Rima" (An editor) is clearly incivility
It was later changed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/B...
What now? Blocking someone doesn't give them the chance to retract their comments...
Carcharoth
Patton 123 wrote:
"I hate Ottava Rima" (An editor) is clearly incivility
I don't find that uncivil at all, especially not in the context in which it was found. It says nothing about Ottava Rima. Instead, the speaker is saying something about himself.
Ec
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote
Patton 123 wrote:
Well after the recent lengthy discussion and civility etc on this list, and this
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_adminship...
comment, I've been thinking about a solution for incivility. Wouldn't a 3RR-like system be good? Users get a warning for a personal attack, and if they do it
again a short block. There's obviously the problem that different people regard different things as personal attacks, but it's food for thought....
Definition of incivility is clearly important. I find no incivility in the linked diff.
Ec
On 15/02/2009, Patton 123 pattonabc@gmail.com wrote:
I've been thinking about a solution for incivility. Wouldn't a 3RR-like system be good? Users get a warning for a personal attack, and if they do it again a short block. There's obviously the problem that different people regard different things as personal attacks, but it's food for thought....
There used to be a noticeboard pretty much for that, but it was dismantled, mostly for that reason I think.
RFCs are what you're supposed to do now, but they're pretty heavyweight processes.