I have spoken to the police. They are investigating.
Thank you to everyone who brought this to our attention and especially to the people who provided me with the information for the police.
Danny
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On 4/6/07, daniwo59@aol.com daniwo59@aol.com wrote:
I have spoken to the police. They are investigating.
Thank you to everyone who brought this to our attention and especially to the people who provided me with the information for the police.
Danny
I just got a callback from my local PD to take my report, right after Danny's email arrived. I let them know someone else had made a report on it and it seemed redudant to me and them for me to make another report, so we aren't going to bother with mine.
Thanks to everyone here and on ANI who helped in various ways, and obviously Danny for finally getting the info in flight properly...
On 4/7/07, George Herbert george.herbert@gmail.com wrote:
I just got a callback from my local PD to take my report, right after Danny's email arrived. I let them know someone else had made a report on it and it seemed redudant to me and them for me to make another report, so we aren't going to bother with mine.
Thanks to everyone here and on ANI who helped in various ways, and obviously Danny for finally getting the info in flight properly...
Uh, someone want to fill me in? What happened? Was this on-wiki?
Steve in the dark
On 4/11/07, Steve Bennett stevagewp@gmail.com wrote:
On 4/7/07, George Herbert george.herbert@gmail.com wrote:
I just got a callback from my local PD to take my report, right after Danny's email arrived. I let them know someone else had made a report on it and it seemed redudant to me and them for me to make another report, so we aren't going to bother with mine.
Thanks to everyone here and on ANI who helped in various ways, and obviously Danny for finally getting the info in flight properly...
Uh, someone want to fill me in? What happened? Was this on-wiki?
Steve in the dark
As I understand it, a Wikipedian from Chicago wrote about committing suicide on-wiki. This resulted in a flurry of discussion on [[WP:ANI]] on what template to stick on a dead user's userpage, and after a while, a couple of bright sparks had the idea to work on finding out who this guy is and how to get him some help in meatspace. Things just developed from there, I suppose.
Johnleemk
On 4/11/07, John Lee johnleemk@gmail.com wrote:
As I understand it, a Wikipedian from Chicago wrote about committing suicide on-wiki. This resulted in a flurry of discussion on [[WP:ANI]] on what template to stick on a dead user's userpage, and after a while, a couple of bright sparks had the idea to work on finding out who this guy is and how to get him some help in meatspace. Things just developed from there, I suppose.
Oh, cool. Well, I'm glad we didn't end up in the news for having incited someone to kill themselves over the web, like someone else did a few months ago.
Steve
On 4/7/07, daniwo59@aol.com daniwo59@aol.com wrote:
I have spoken to the police. They are investigating.
Thank you to everyone who brought this to our attention and especially to the people who provided me with the information for the police.
Danny
Now we should get back to building this encyclopedia thing.
On 4/6/07, Rory Stolzenberg rory096@gmail.com wrote:On 4/7/07, daniwo59@aol.com daniwo59@aol.com wrote:
Now we should get back to building this encyclopedia thing.
We're building a what now????
On 4/6/07, Rory Stolzenberg rory096@gmail.com wrote:
On 4/7/07, daniwo59@aol.com daniwo59@aol.com wrote:
I have spoken to the police. They are investigating.
Thank you to everyone who brought this to our attention and especially
to
the people who provided me with the information for the police.
Danny
Now we should get back to building this encyclopedia thing. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
On 4/7/07, daniwo59@aol.com daniwo59@aol.com wrote:
I have spoken to the police. They are investigating.
Thank you to everyone who brought this to our attention and especially to the people who provided me with the information for the police.
Danny
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It's infuriating that people who want nothing more than to build a free-content encyclopedia in relative peace and quiet have to chase their tails in this farcical manner just because some trolling jackass in Chicago announces he's going to top himself.
On the other hand, what else can we do? The headlines of "Guy kills himself while eminent Wikipedians did zilch" hardly sound promising.
It just infuriates me that Wikipedia can so easily be hijacked for attention-seeking like this.
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On 07/04/07, Christiano Moreschi moreschiwikiman@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
It's infuriating that people who want nothing more than to build a free-content encyclopedia in relative peace and quiet have to chase their tails in this farcical manner just because some trolling jackass in Chicago announces he's going to top himself.
On the other hand, what else can we do? The headlines of "Guy kills himself while eminent Wikipedians did zilch" hardly sound promising.
It just infuriates me that Wikipedia can so easily be hijacked for attention-seeking like this.
This kind of thing is not specific to Wikipedia. Communities exist on the internet and all such communities can be faced with this. It is the price of having a community at all.
OK, sure, but when you have community for the sake of community that's the sort of stuff you can expect to put up with. Wikipedia has an encyclopedic purpose distinct from that: we are not supposed to be collection of self-help services, suicide prevention, and social services all rolled into one.
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Christiano Moreschi wrote:
OK, sure, but when you have community for the sake of community that's the sort of stuff you can expect to put up with. Wikipedia has an encyclopedic purpose distinct from that: we are not supposed to be collection of self-help services, suicide prevention, and social services all rolled into one.
That doesn't mean we can't act like human beings from time to time. I don't want us to be like one of those offices where the guy dies while sitting at his desk and nobody notices for three days.
Stan
Moreschi wrote:
OK, sure, but when you have community for the sake of community that's the sort of stuff you can expect to put up with. Wikipedia has an encyclopedic purpose distinct from that: we are not supposed to be collection of self-help services, suicide prevention, and social services all rolled into one.
And for the most part, we're not. But turns out that *you can't escape the community stuff*. Any time you get a bunch of people working together on something, the community aspects are going to surface, whether you want them to or not. You can try to mitigate them, but you can't eliminate them, and if you try too hard, you'll royally piss people off, to everyone's detriment.
If you haven't read "A Group is Its Own Worst Enemy", do so: http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html .
If we saved one person's life, at least to me, that's worth more than writing a thousand featured articles. Things like this put things like "building an encyclopedia" into perspective....
On 4/7/07, Steve Summit scs@eskimo.com wrote:
Moreschi wrote:
OK, sure, but when you have community for the sake of community that's
the
sort of stuff you can expect to put up with. Wikipedia has an
encyclopedic
purpose distinct from that: we are not supposed to be collection of self-help services, suicide prevention, and social services all rolled into one.
And for the most part, we're not. But turns out that *you can't escape the community stuff*. Any time you get a bunch of people working together on something, the community aspects are going to surface, whether you want them to or not. You can try to mitigate them, but you can't eliminate them, and if you try too hard, you'll royally piss people off, to everyone's detriment.
If you haven't read "A Group is Its Own Worst Enemy", do so: http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html .
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On 4/7/07, Yonatan Horan yonatanh@gmail.com wrote:
If we saved one person's life, at least to me, that's worth more than writing a thousand featured articles. Things like this put things like "building an encyclopedia" into perspective....
Not so much. Information is power. Power includes the power to kill.
Words and images can result in deaths. See [[Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy]]. So can almost any form of information
If wikipedia continues at it's current level of popularity it is likely that something in it will eventually indirectly result in deaths (if it hasn't already). At best we can hope that any deaths will be the result of truths rather than lies.
on 4/7/07 5:40 PM, geni at geniice@gmail.com wrote:
Not so much. Information is power. Power includes the power to kill.
Words and images can result in deaths. See [[Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy]]. So can almost any form of information
If wikipedia continues at it's current level of popularity it is likely that something in it will eventually indirectly result in deaths (if it hasn't already). At best we can hope that any deaths will be the result of truths rather than lies.
Bummer :-(
Marc
Marc Riddell wrote:
on 4/7/07 5:40 PM, geni wrote:
Not so much. Information is power. Power includes the power to kill.
Words and images can result in deaths. See [[Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy]]. So can almost any form of information
If wikipedia continues at it's current level of popularity it is likely that something in it will eventually indirectly result in deaths (if it hasn't already). At best we can hope that any deaths will be the result of truths rather than lies.
Bummer :-(
As the song says, "Always look on the bright side of life." A death in the pursuit of this jihad of truth will earn you the endless ministrations of 100 perpetual virgins. ;-)
Ec
Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net writes:
Marc Riddell wrote:
on 4/7/07 5:40 PM, geni wrote:
Not so much. Information is power. Power includes the power to
kill.
Words and images can result in deaths. See [[Jyllands-Posten
Muhammad
cartoons controversy]]. So can almost any form of information
If wikipedia continues at it's current level of popularity it
is
likely that something in it will eventually indirectly result
in
deaths (if it hasn't already). At best we can hope that any
deaths
will be the result of truths rather than lies.
Bummer :-(
As the song says, "Always look on the bright side of life." A
death in
the pursuit of this jihad of truth will earn you the endless ministrations of 100 perpetual virgins. ;-)
Ec
No, no, that's a mistaken, heretical, and POV translation! What the Prophet Jimbo saith in his fifth sura was that death in the pursuit of truth guaranteed the martyr the endless ministrations of 100 perpetual "reference librarians", not "virgins". It is an easy mistake, but nevertheless crucial.
On 08/04/07, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
As the song says, "Always look on the bright side of life." A death in the pursuit of this jihad of truth will earn you the endless ministrations of 100 perpetual virgins. ;-)
I thought all the middle-aged Star Trek fans were over at Memory Alpha.
- d.
I am still waiting for an administrator to archive the discussion. It is sad that a certain wikipedian can be so messed up and that we let their dirty laundry blow in the wind. Whether or not there was a genuine suicide attempt, it is still apparent that this person has many issues which will not be solved by having us gossip and joke about it.
On 4/8/07, ikiroid ikiroid@gmail.com wrote:
I am still waiting for an administrator to archive the discussion. It is sad that a certain wikipedian can be so messed up and that we let their dirty laundry blow in the wind. Whether or not there was a genuine suicide attempt, it is still apparent that this person has many issues which will not be solved by having us gossip and joke about it.
I think we're joking about our reactions to it, not what he did directly.
Joking about our responses is ok. Joking about his situation would not be.
On 4/9/07, George Herbert george.herbert@gmail.com wrote:
I think we're joking about our reactions to it, not what he did directly.
Joking about our responses is ok. Joking about his situation would not be.
Yeah, and since this presumably had a happy ending, we're allowed to be a little relieved :)
--Oskar
Maybe but we're sliding over to a philosophical discussion... the bottom line is that saying something like saving a life is disrupting our goal of building an encyclopedia is plain stupid and shows someone might have become too immersed in the goal of building an encyclopedia to see that there are things that are perhaps even more important than wikipedia.
On 4/7/07, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 4/7/07, Yonatan Horan yonatanh@gmail.com wrote:
If we saved one person's life, at least to me, that's worth more than writing a thousand featured articles. Things like this put things like "building an encyclopedia" into perspective....
Not so much. Information is power. Power includes the power to kill.
Words and images can result in deaths. See [[Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy]]. So can almost any form of information
If wikipedia continues at it's current level of popularity it is likely that something in it will eventually indirectly result in deaths (if it hasn't already). At best we can hope that any deaths will be the result of truths rather than lies.
-- geni
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on 4/7/07 8:51 PM, Yonatan Horan at yonatanh@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe but we're sliding over to a philosophical discussion... the bottom line is that saying something like saving a life is disrupting our goal of building an encyclopedia is plain stupid and shows someone might have become too immersed in the goal of building an encyclopedia to see that there are things that are perhaps even more important than wikipedia.
YES!! I agree with you completely, Yonatan. PEOPLE created Wikipedia; PEOPLE write Wikipedia; PEOPLE maintain Wikipedia; PEOPLE in some way make up the substance of every Article in Wikipedia. Without PEOPLE - there would be nothing but a blank page.
Mark Riddell
If wikipedia continues at it's current level of popularity it is likely that something in it will eventually indirectly result in deaths (if it hasn't already). At best we can hope that any deaths will be the result of truths rather than lies.
True, but certainly not unique of Wikipedia. Pretty much anything can be misused (either accidentally, or intentionally). How many people do you think have been run over by ambulances? I'd guess quite a few.
On 4/7/07, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 4/7/07, Yonatan Horan yonatanh@gmail.com wrote:
If we saved one person's life, at least to me, that's worth more than writing a thousand featured articles. Things like this put things like "building an encyclopedia" into perspective....
Not so much. Information is power. Power includes the power to kill.
But there is also the power to live and thrive. Simply providing free information has and will continue to affect people in all ways.
Erica
on 4/7/07 6:17 AM, Oldak Quill at oldakquill@gmail.com wrote:
This kind of thing is not specific to Wikipedia. Communities exist on the internet and all such communities can be faced with this. It is the price of having a community at all.
And, to a great degree, the response of our Community was the very definition of one.
Marc