A couple Final Fantasy fans have left WikiProject Final Fantasy due to our strict following of fictional policy and notability. A quote from their private (yet public) attack of our project on one of their talkpages:
"We have a policy [at the Final Fantasy Wikia] against transwikiing, which used to be it was "strongly discouraged" so that good, original articles could be written from scratch and we didn't have to look like a bunch of thieves. But now I'm thinking of prohibiting it entirely just because of the way Wikipedia articles are written aren't suitable for an indepth Wiki like mine."
Is this even allowed? Wikias are supposed to allow transwikied material in some manner; it's one of the whole points of Wikia. Especially when we get those users who are clingy to their contributions (which is partially why these two users are leaving) and leave when they get merged or deleted and rally among a Wikia.
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On 6/2/07, SonOfYoungwood@aol.com SonOfYoungwood@aol.com wrote:
Is this even allowed? Wikias are supposed to allow transwikied material in some manner; it's one of the whole points of Wikia. Especially when we get those users who are clingy to their contributions (which is partially why these two users are leaving) and leave when they get merged or deleted and rally among a Wikia.
This is a question for Wikia, not for Wikipedia. Try the Wikia mailing list:
http://www.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
Is this even allowed? Wikias are supposed to allow transwikied material in some manner; it's one of the whole points of Wikia. Especially when we get those users who are clingy to their contributions (which is partially why these two users are leaving) and leave when they get merged or deleted and rally among a Wikia.
That's an issue for Wikia to decide, it has nothing to do with Wikipedia. This is the mailing list for the English Wikipedia only. Wikipedia is released under the GDFL, any wiki using a compatible license may transwiki anything they like, it has nothing to do with us.
SonOfYoungwood@aol.com wrote:
A couple Final Fantasy fans have left WikiProject Final Fantasy due to our strict following of fictional policy and notability. A quote from their private (yet public) attack of our project on one of their talkpages:
"We have a policy [at the Final Fantasy Wikia] against transwikiing, which used to be it was "strongly discouraged" so that good, original articles could be written from scratch and we didn't have to look like a bunch of thieves. But now I'm thinking of prohibiting it entirely just because of the way Wikipedia articles are written aren't suitable for an indepth Wiki like mine."
Is this even allowed? Wikias are supposed to allow transwikied material in some manner; it's one of the whole points of Wikia. Especially when we get those users who are clingy to their contributions (which is partially why these two users are leaving) and leave when they get merged or deleted and rally among a Wikia.
People involved in Wikipedia would be rightfully enraged if the participants in a Wikia project insisted that they should have the right to decide something for Wikipedia. The same should apply in reverse. The place to discuss this is on the facilities provided in connection with Final Fantasy Wikia, not on Wikipedia.
Transwikied articles are nothing more than offerings from the originating project where the participants are not expected to know the rules of the receiving project. So while it would not be appropriate to block the addition of transwikied articles that are put there in good faith, what happens to them after that point is entirely up to the receiving project's rules, and that could conceivably include speedy deletion.
Ec
Ray Saintonge wrote:
Transwikied articles are nothing more than offerings from the originating project where the participants are not expected to know the rules of the receiving project. So while it would not be appropriate to block the addition of transwikied articles that are put there in good faith, what happens to them after that point is entirely up to the receiving project's rules, and that could conceivably include speedy deletion.
This is one of the main reasons why I don't think the existence of other wikis should be considered a reason why it's "okay" to delete something from Wikipedia. The stuff that we keep in Wikipedia will be written to Wikipedia style and standards, we can't make that guarantee about the material once it's moved anyplace else.
Wikis like Comixpedia serving as a "refuge" for deleted material is only a stopgap measure, IMO. One day, I hope and dream, the wikirapture will come and we'll be able to take all the lost fancruft back up into the NPOV embrace of Wikipedia.
On Jun 1, 2007, at 10:10 AM, SonOfYoungwood@aol.com wrote:
Is this even allowed? Wikias are supposed to allow transwikied material in some manner; it's one of the whole points of Wikia. Especially when we get those users who are clingy to their contributions (which is partially why these two users are leaving) and leave when they get merged or deleted and rally among a Wikia.
Wikias can set their own individual policy on this, and there's no reason why one couldn't ban transwiki'd material.
Of course, it's an idiotic policy that discourages useful working together of the two sites, but hey, no rules against it.
-Phil
On 6/1/07, SonOfYoungwood@aol.com SonOfYoungwood@aol.com wrote:
A couple Final Fantasy fans have left WikiProject Final Fantasy due to our strict following of fictional policy and notability. A quote from their private (yet public) attack of our project on one of their talkpages:
Too many people are trigger happy with the delete button when material is worth merging per that Fictional policy you mentioned. Notability doesn't even come into the equation.