Ok, I know this has probably been addressed 100 times, but I can't make sense of it all. I am created a directory site for my state (New Mexico). I would like to use wiki information about each city on the site. I don't want to include the whole articles (mirror like). But I am quoting verbatim text.
Questions: 1) If I include several paragraphs from the text in my website, does my entire site need to be licensed under the GFDL or just that page, or just the "text" versus the layout, links, etc.?
2) What is an appropriate link,citation? I have heard or ready that I must link the history page of the document.
3) Any question that I should be asking, but don't know to ask :)
Well, anyhow. I have read all the reusing content stuff on wikiepedia and I understand 70% of it, but want to get some more input
An example or what I am thinking of doing is at: http://newmexicodirect.net/other-nm-cities/artesia/ The majority of the quoted text is near the bottom of the page.
Also, if you have links to other discussions on the subject, I would love to see more. Thanks in advance.
On 1/8/07, mwookie peter@iriselements.com wrote:
Ok, I know this has probably been addressed 100 times, but I can't make sense of it all. I am created a directory site for my state (New Mexico). I would like to use wiki information about each city on the site. I don't want to include the whole articles (mirror like). But I am quoting verbatim text.
Questions:
- If I include several paragraphs from the text in my website, does my
entire site need to be licensed under the GFDL or just that page, or just the "text" versus the layout, links, etc.?
- What is an appropriate link,citation? I have heard or ready that I must
link the history page of the document.
- Any question that I should be asking, but don't know to ask :)
Well, anyhow. I have read all the reusing content stuff on wikiepedia and I understand 70% of it, but want to get some more input
An example or what I am thinking of doing is at: http://newmexicodirect.net/other-nm-cities/artesia/ The majority of the quoted text is near the bottom of the page.
Also, if you have links to other discussions on the subject, I would love to see more. Thanks in advance.
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1) None of the text you write yourself has to be under the GFDL, only the text that you quote.
2) Linking the article page should be fine, since the history page is just one click away from there anyway. You can link the history too if you want.
3) You probably don't need to have a copy of the entire GFDL on your site, as you could easily assert fair use and you'd most likely win, but if you really want to comply more than you need to, you should have a page with the GFDL and link to that everywhere you quote something from WP.
On 1/9/07, Rory Stolzenberg rory096@gmail.com wrote:
On 1/8/07, mwookie peter@iriselements.com wrote:
Ok, I know this has probably been addressed 100 times, but I can't make sense of it all. I am created a directory site for my state (New Mexico). I would like to use wiki information about each city on the site. I don't want
to
include the whole articles (mirror like). But I am quoting verbatim
text.
Questions:
- If I include several paragraphs from the text in my website, does my
entire site need to be licensed under the GFDL or just that page, or
just
the "text" versus the layout, links, etc.?
- What is an appropriate link,citation? I have heard or ready that I
must
link the history page of the document.
- Any question that I should be asking, but don't know to ask :)
Well, anyhow. I have read all the reusing content stuff on wikiepedia
and
I understand 70% of it, but want to get some more input
An example or what I am thinking of doing is at: http://newmexicodirect.net/other-nm-cities/artesia/ The majority of the quoted text is near the bottom of the page.
Also, if you have links to other discussions on the subject, I would
love
to see more. Thanks in advance.
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http://www.nabble.com/Using-paragraphs-from-wikipedia-on-other-websites-tf29...
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- None of the text you write yourself has to be under the GFDL, only the
text that you quote.
- Linking the article page should be fine, since the history page is just
one click away from there anyway. You can link the history too if you want.
- You probably don't need to have a copy of the entire GFDL on your site,
as you could easily assert fair use and you'd most likely win, but if you really want to comply more than you need to, you should have a page with the GFDL and link to that everywhere you quote something from WP. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Consider helping out on Wikia, as well:).Nina
Rory Stolzenberg wrote:
On 1/8/07, mwookie peter@iriselements.com wrote:
- If I include several paragraphs from the text in my website, does my
entire site need to be licensed under the GFDL or just that page, or just the "text" versus the layout, links, etc.?
- None of the text you write yourself has to be under the GFDL, only the
text that you quote.
I don't think that's quite true. The GFDL says, in section 1:
A "Modified Version" of the Document means any work containing the Document or a portion of it, either copied verbatim, or with modifications and/or translated into another language.
And in section 4 ("Modifications"):
You may copy and distribute a Modified Version of the Document under the conditions of sections 2 and 3 above, provided that you release the Modified Version under precisely this License . . .
Thus, a work, such as a web page, containing portions of a GFDL work must generally in itself be licensed under the GFDL.
Section 7 ("Aggregation with independent works") does, however, say:
A compilation of the Document or its derivatives with other separate and independent documents or works, in or on a volume of a storage or distribution medium, is called an "aggregate" if the copyright resulting from the compilation is not used to limit the legal rights of the compilation's users beyond what the individual works permit. When the Document is included in an aggregate, this License does not apply to the other works in the aggregate which are not themselves derivative works of the Document.
However, it's not entirely obvious at what point a document ceases to be "independent". Certainly the pages of a web site can, in most cases, be considered independent documents, but it's not at all clear to me whether a distinct section of a single web page, like what you have on your site, can in fact be considered an independent document.
If you do wish to stand by the claim that it can, I believe your case would be strengthened by making sure that the section in question in fact makes sense even if taken off the page; in particular, it should probably carry a title of its own, so that someone reading the section out of context will still be able to tell what it is about.
On 1/9/07, Ilmari Karonen nospam@vyznev.net wrote:
Rory Stolzenberg wrote:
On 1/8/07, mwookie peter@iriselements.com wrote:
- If I include several paragraphs from the text in my website, does my
entire site need to be licensed under the GFDL or just that page, or
just
the "text" versus the layout, links, etc.?
- None of the text you write yourself has to be under the GFDL, only
the
text that you quote.
I don't think that's quite true. The GFDL says, in section 1:
A "Modified Version" of the Document means any work containing the Document or a portion of it, either copied verbatim, or with modifications and/or translated into another language.
And in section 4 ("Modifications"):
You may copy and distribute a Modified Version of the Document under the conditions of sections 2 and 3 above, provided that you release the Modified Version under precisely this License . . .
Thus, a work, such as a web page, containing portions of a GFDL work must generally in itself be licensed under the GFDL.
Section 7 ("Aggregation with independent works") does, however, say:
A compilation of the Document or its derivatives with other separate and independent documents or works, in or on a volume of a storage or distribution medium, is called an "aggregate" if the copyright resulting from the compilation is not used to limit the legal rights of the compilation's users beyond what the individual works permit. When the Document is included in an aggregate, this License does not apply to the other works in the aggregate which are not themselves derivative works of the Document.
However, it's not entirely obvious at what point a document ceases to be "independent". Certainly the pages of a web site can, in most cases, be considered independent documents, but it's not at all clear to me whether a distinct section of a single web page, like what you have on your site, can in fact be considered an independent document.
If you do wish to stand by the claim that it can, I believe your case would be strengthened by making sure that the section in question in fact makes sense even if taken off the page; in particular, it should probably carry a title of its own, so that someone reading the section out of context will still be able to tell what it is about.
-- Ilmari Karonen
If he's clearly showing that he's quoting text from another source, I don't think that would be considered part of the document, rather it would be an aggregate work. If he made the GFDL text very much a part of the text he writes, then I agree that it would probably require the entire thing to be GFDL. However, I get the impression that he doesn't intend to do that.
Rory Stolzenberg wrote:
If he's clearly showing that he's quoting text from another source, I don't think that would be considered part of the document, rather it would be an aggregate work. If he made the GFDL text very much a part of the text he writes, then I agree that it would probably require the entire thing to be GFDL. However, I get the impression that he doesn't intend to do that. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
You are right, I don't really intend to "add or change" it but merely include it and have other information around (not really article or essay, but weblinks and statistics). Thanks for all the ideas on the subject, at least I am starting to understand.