On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 4:50 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
- d.
Ah, you beat me to the punch on the announcement, as usual :)
But yes: "How Wikipedia Works", now in stores *and* in handy online GFDL-approved format. Suggestions, corrections and comments here please: http://wiki.phoebeayers.info
Thanks very much! Phoebe
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:20 AM, phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 4:50 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
- d.
Ah, you beat me to the punch on the announcement, as usual :)
But yes: "How Wikipedia Works", now in stores *and* in handy online GFDL-approved format. Suggestions, corrections and comments here please: http://wiki.phoebeayers.info
Thanks very much! Phoebe
Is there a wiki version?
Answers to questions:
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 4:50 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Phoebe, Charles, Ben, you've done a fantastic job. I'm still fascinated by the GFDL licensing aspect! Was it your aim from the start to make a GFDL-compatible version?
Yes, it was. We recognized that to comply with the letter *and* the spirit of the license when adapting help pages from Wikipedia, we needed to license the result under the GFDL; and we all wanted to produce a freely-licensed work regardless. The publisher, No Starch Press, was fantastic about being supportive of the license and accepting it, pretty much no questions asked. (And I learned a great deal about the GFDL in the process, including that despite our best efforts "how to reuse Wikipedia content properly" is still kind of a murky area. If any of the license-savvy contributors out there wanted to rewrite the onwiki help pages, it's an area that could use a *lot* of work).
Is there a wiki version?
Not yet! I would like to have one, of course. Producing one will mean taking the HTML and converting it to MediaWiki syntax -- the files for the printed book were laid out in a design program, so it was difficult enough just getting the HTML produced (which is why there was a delay for the online version). We did draft the book in MW, but there were significant changes between the draft and the finished version. Contact me off-list if you're interested in helping out with producing a wiki version.
best, -- Phoebe
Thanks, I look foward to modifying it. Again, it should really be turned into a Wiki by the WMF. That's a good idea. Having the Foundation make it as a project for users to modify. A sort of guide to editing. However, the greatest problem with this is that the rules might as well be changed itself, which may confuse many. On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:56 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
Answers to questions:
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 4:50 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Phoebe, Charles, Ben, you've done a fantastic job. I'm still fascinated
by
the GFDL licensing aspect! Was it your aim from the start to make a GFDL-compatible version?
Yes, it was. We recognized that to comply with the letter *and* the spirit of the license when adapting help pages from Wikipedia, we needed to license the result under the GFDL; and we all wanted to produce a freely-licensed work regardless. The publisher, No Starch Press, was fantastic about being supportive of the license and accepting it, pretty much no questions asked. (And I learned a great deal about the GFDL in the process, including that despite our best efforts "how to reuse Wikipedia content properly" is still kind of a murky area. If any of the license-savvy contributors out there wanted to rewrite the onwiki help pages, it's an area that could use a *lot* of work).
Is there a wiki version?
Not yet! I would like to have one, of course. Producing one will mean taking the HTML and converting it to MediaWiki syntax -- the files for the printed book were laid out in a design program, so it was difficult enough just getting the HTML produced (which is why there was a delay for the online version). We did draft the book in MW, but there were significant changes between the draft and the finished version. Contact me off-list if you're interested in helping out with producing a wiki version.
best, -- Phoebe
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Not yet! I would like to have one, of course. Producing one will mean taking the HTML and converting it to MediaWiki syntax -- the files for the printed book were laid out in a design program, so it was difficult enough just getting the HTML produced (which is why there was a delay for the online version). We did draft the book in MW, but there were significant changes between the draft and the finished version.
I would have thought the HTML would render fine on-wiki? It doesn't always look pretty, but it usually works.
AGK
2008/10/2 phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@gmail.com
Answers to questions:
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 4:50 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Phoebe, Charles, Ben, you've done a fantastic job. I'm still fascinated
by
the GFDL licensing aspect! Was it your aim from the start to make a GFDL-compatible version?
Yes, it was. We recognized that to comply with the letter *and* the spirit of the license when adapting help pages from Wikipedia, we needed to license the result under the GFDL; and we all wanted to produce a freely-licensed work regardless. The publisher, No Starch Press, was fantastic about being supportive of the license and accepting it, pretty much no questions asked. (And I learned a great deal about the GFDL in the process, including that despite our best efforts "how to reuse Wikipedia content properly" is still kind of a murky area. If any of the license-savvy contributors out there wanted to rewrite the onwiki help pages, it's an area that could use a *lot* of work).
Is there a wiki version?
Not yet! I would like to have one, of course. Producing one will mean taking the HTML and converting it to MediaWiki syntax -- the files for the printed book were laid out in a design program, so it was difficult enough just getting the HTML produced (which is why there was a delay for the online version). We did draft the book in MW, but there were significant changes between the draft and the finished version. Contact me off-list if you're interested in helping out with producing a wiki version.
best, -- Phoebe
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AGK: Most of the styling kind of html snytax is filtered out on wiki* installs as far as i know to prevent the vandalism it can cause (eg: overly large blinking text)
-Peachey88
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 11:04 PM, K. Peachey p858snake@yahoo.com.au wrote:
AGK: Most of the styling kind of html snytax is filtered out on wiki* installs as far as i know to prevent the vandalism it can cause (eg: overly large blinking text)
What, you mean stuff like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Crazycomputers/Sandbox&oldid=243393064
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Chris Howie cdhowie@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 11:04 PM, K. Peachey p858snake@yahoo.com.au wrote:
AGK: Most of the styling kind of html snytax is filtered out on wiki* installs as far as i know to prevent the vandalism it can cause (eg:
overly
large blinking text)
What, you mean stuff like this? < http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Crazycomputers/Sandbox&ol...
Hmm... interesting, i might be only selected html then cause i tried the older <blink></blink> and <font size="200"></font> tags and the first didn't work and was phased as standard test where as the second one worked.
2008/10/6 K. Peachey p858snake@yahoo.com.au:
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Chris Howie cdhowie@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 11:04 PM, K. Peachey p858snake@yahoo.com.au wrote:
AGK: Most of the styling kind of html snytax is filtered out on wiki* installs as far as i know to prevent the vandalism it can cause (eg:
overly
large blinking text)
What, you mean stuff like this? < http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Crazycomputers/Sandbox&ol...
Hmm... interesting, i might be only selected html then cause i tried the older <blink></blink> and <font size="200"></font> tags and the first didn't work and was phased as standard test where as the second one worked.
I believe selected HTML is allowed, all other HTML is stripped. One of the allowed tags is <div> which is all that page uses - it's all done with CSS, which isn't blocked.
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 11:45 AM, AGK agkwiki@googlemail.com wrote:
Not yet! I would like to have one, of course. Producing one will mean taking the HTML and converting it to MediaWiki syntax -- the files for the printed book were laid out in a design program, so it was difficult enough just getting the HTML produced (which is why there was a delay for the online version). We did draft the book in MW, but there were significant changes between the draft and the finished version.
I would have thought the HTML would render fine on-wiki? It doesn't always look pretty, but it usually works.
Sure, but regardless: I would like a *good* wiki version :) And creating the page structure is half the battle.
Note that we answer this question about what HTML is allowed in Chapter 9, section 4.1, by linking to this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:HTML_in_wikitext
see: http://howwikipediaworks.com/ch09s04.html#html_and_css
:) phoebe