Just a thought on this, but assuming that the move were community-approved then would it be possible to do a sort of "hard-redirect" .... [snip]

On 1/13/07, PeruvianLlama <peruvianllama(a)gmail.com> wrote: Right. But since we're obviously going to need such a redirect, what do we gain from moving Main Page? It's a lot of work for...? -Luna

Luna wrote: we The idea would be that such a redirect would be temporary. The problem of having Main_Page in the namespace wouldn't be solved overnight, or even in a matter of days. But at least it would be solved a year (or 6 months, or whatever) down the road. That's a long time, but like I said, I haven't seen anyone claiming that this is really any kind of an immediate worry. It's just a good idea for the sake of long-term consistency. If we wait until the movie/book/etc. called "Main Page" is made and suddenly wants to be in that article page, then we no longer have the luxury of doing things at a reasonable pace. Then it really will be a big issue to update all of our internal links, and to hope that external links update quickly enough. If we're proactive about this, we might be saving ourselves a headache. At worst, like I said, we're at least being consistent. MacGyverMagic/Mgm wrote: not Not immediately no, but it opens up the possibility of doing so in the future. After a year we can drop the redirect, since most/all of the external links will have updated. Those that haven't, well, a broken link or three isn't going to bring either Wikipedia or the internet at large to its knees. The reason I posted this idea was because the main three objections to moving appeared to be: 1) It will be too big a strain on the servers to move such a big page 2) It will be too much of a hassle to update internal links 3) It will be too much of a hassle to update external links I think that if it came to it, we could enlist the help of devs or other technical wizardry to eliminate the hurdles of objection #1. Objection #2 has already been rebutted. I was taking aim at objection #3. There isn't any wildly important reason to move Main_Page somewhere else, and I say again, it certainly isn't a terribly time-sensitive issue. But on the other hand, there don't seem to be any wildly important reasons to _not_ move Main_Page, other than things being too much of a hassle. Cheers, - PeruvianLlama _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Anyway, we can always create these articles as [[Main Page (book)]], [[Main Page (film)]] and so on. It really is a non-issue - there's no definite reason to move our Main Page.

Indeed. Keep it the way it is now. There's no harm being done anyway. On 1/15/07, Gary Kirk <gary.kirk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Anyway, we can always create these articles as [[Main Page (book)]], > [[Main Page (film)]] and so on. It really is a non-issue - there's no > definite reason to move our Main Page. > > Jm2p... > > On 1/15/07, MacGyverMagic/Mgm <macgyvermagic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > It might be just me, but I don't think a movie or book titled "Main > Page" > > would actually get sold to a editor or studio representative. Titles

> key > > to drawing in an audience, and when someone came to me with that as a > title, > > I'd ask them to change it. > > > > Mgm > > > > > > On 1/14/07, PeruvianLlama <peruvianllama(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Luna wrote: > > > > Right. But since we're obviously going to need such a redirect,

> do > > > we > > > > gain from moving Main Page? It's a lot of work for...? > > > > > > > The idea would be that such a redirect would be temporary. The

> > > of having Main_Page in the namespace wouldn't be solved overnight,

> > > even in a matter of days. But at least it would be solved a year

> > > months, or whatever) down the road. That's a long time, but like I > said, > > > I haven't seen anyone claiming that this is really any kind of an > > > immediate worry. It's just a good idea for the sake of long-term > > > consistency. > > > > > > If we wait until the movie/book/etc. called "Main Page" is made and > > > suddenly wants to be in that article page, then we no longer have

> > > luxury of doing things at a reasonable pace. Then it really will be

> > > big issue to update all of our internal links, and to hope that > external > > > links update quickly enough. If we're proactive about this, we

> be > > > saving ourselves a headache. At worst, like I said, we're at least > being > > > consistent. > > > > > > > > > MacGyverMagic/Mgm wrote: > > > > And it still doesn't open up the page for any potential films,

> or > > > > articles on anything else, because leaving a redirect is what we > need to > > > not > > > > kill incoming links from outside of Wikipedia. > > > > Mgm > > > Not immediately no, but it opens up the possibility of doing so in

> > > future. After a year we can drop the redirect, since most/all of

> > > external links will have updated. Those that haven't, well, a

> > > link or three isn't going to bring either Wikipedia or the internet

> > > large to its knees. The reason I posted this idea was because the

> > > three objections to moving appeared to be: > > > 1) It will be too big a strain on the servers to move such a big

> > > 2) It will be too much of a hassle to update internal links > > > 3) It will be too much of a hassle to update external links > > > > > > I think that if it came to it, we could enlist the help of devs or > other > > > technical wizardry to eliminate the hurdles of objection #1.

> > > #2 has already been rebutted. I was taking aim at objection #3. > > > > > > There isn't any wildly important reason to move Main_Page somewhere > > > else, and I say again, it certainly isn't a terribly time-sensitive > > > issue. But on the other hand, there don't seem to be any wildly > > > important reasons to _not_ move Main_Page, other than things being

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It might be just me, but I don't think a movie or book titled "Main Page" would actually get sold to a editor or studio representative. Titles are key to drawing in an audience, and when someone came to me with that as a title, I'd ask them to change it.

PeruvianLlama wrote: That's the stronges argument you give. Ec