I love how the Main Page is listed as "Main page" on the left-hand-side navigation bar.
Also, anyone who claims repairing the links to Main Page would be insane and take years, could probably just send out a bot to do it in a matter of a few days (at most). It's such a specious b.s. claim, that whoever said it first and those who perpetuate such b.s., in the words of Garfield, "should be dragged out in the street and shot."
Regards, Christopher D. Thieme
Its more an issue of the external links
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On 1/13/07, Christopher Thieme cdthieme@gmail.com wrote:
I love how the Main Page is listed as "Main page" on the left-hand-side navigation bar.
Also, anyone who claims repairing the links to Main Page would be insane and take years, could probably just send out a bot to do it in a matter of a few days (at most). It's such a specious b.s. claim, that whoever said it first and those who perpetuate such b.s., in the words of Garfield, "should be dragged out in the street and shot."
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Its more an issue of the external links
Just a thought on this, but assuming that the move were community-approved then would it be possible to do a sort of "hard-redirect" where http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page (or http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?Main_Page if you like) would automatically shunt any incoming traffic to the new page? Isn't there something in Apache, a 500-level code maybe that a server gives to clients to indicate a permanent redirect so that the incoming link can be updated? If this was the case, and since everyone agrees that moving Main_Page is not an immediate concern but rather a long-term issue (or not an issue at all), then Main_Page could exist for the next six months or year as an un-editable "hard-redirect", to give the world's links time to be updated. Then after that, once the epic novel "Main Page" has been written and achieved verifiable notability, we can un-hard-link the Main_Page article and editing could begin.
Is any of this plausible?
- PeruvianLlama
On 14.01.2007 05:54, PeruvianLlama wrote:
Its more an issue of the external links
Just a thought on this, but assuming that the move were community-approved then would it be possible to do a sort of "hard-redirect" .... [snip]
It has already been noted that such a system seems already to be in place and there is no need to redirect anything on-wiki. Last one was:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AVillage_pump_%28propos...
These links all work (also with on-wiki internal linking):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Main_page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Main_page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Main_Page
Pick the one you like. :-)
For comparison, the Swedes have the aliases:
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Huvudsida http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida
Their http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Mainpage&action=edit is "Portal:Huvudsida" so they have "Portal" on the first tab on the top of the page.
On 1/13/07, PeruvianLlama peruvianllama@gmail.com wrote:
Its more an issue of the external links
Just a thought on this, but assuming that the move were community-approved then would it be possible to do a sort of "hard-redirect" where http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page (or http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?Main_Page if you like) would automatically shunt any incoming traffic to the new page? Isn't there something in Apache, a 500-level code maybe that a server gives to clients to indicate a permanent redirect so that the incoming link can be updated? If this was the case, and since everyone agrees that moving Main_Page is not an immediate concern but rather a long-term issue (or not an issue at all), then Main_Page could exist for the next six months or year as an un-editable "hard-redirect", to give the world's links time to be updated. Then after that, once the epic novel "Main Page" has been written and achieved verifiable notability, we can un-hard-link the Main_Page article and editing could begin.
Right. But since we're obviously going to need such a redirect, what do we gain from moving Main Page? It's a lot of work for...?
-Luna
On 1/14/07, Luna lunasantin@gmail.com wrote:
On 1/13/07, PeruvianLlama peruvianllama@gmail.com wrote:
Its more an issue of the external links
Just a thought on this, but assuming that the move were community-approved then would it be possible to do a sort of "hard-redirect" where http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page (or http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?Main_Page if you like) would automatically shunt any incoming traffic to the new page? Isn't there something in Apache, a 500-level code maybe that a server gives to clients to indicate a permanent redirect so that the incoming link can be updated? If this was the case, and since everyone agrees that moving Main_Page is not an immediate concern but rather a long-term issue (or not an issue at all), then Main_Page could exist for the next six months or year as an un-editable "hard-redirect", to give the world's links time to be updated. Then after that, once the epic novel "Main Page" has been written and achieved verifiable notability, we can un-hard-link the Main_Page article and editing could begin.
Right. But since we're obviously going to need such a redirect, what do we gain from moving Main Page? It's a lot of work for...?
-Luna
And it still doesn't open up the page for any potential films, books or articles on anything else, because leaving a redirect is what we need to not kill incoming links from outside of Wikipedia. Mgm
Luna wrote:
Right. But since we're obviously going to need such a redirect, what do we gain from moving Main Page? It's a lot of work for...?
The idea would be that such a redirect would be temporary. The problem of having Main_Page in the namespace wouldn't be solved overnight, or even in a matter of days. But at least it would be solved a year (or 6 months, or whatever) down the road. That's a long time, but like I said, I haven't seen anyone claiming that this is really any kind of an immediate worry. It's just a good idea for the sake of long-term consistency.
If we wait until the movie/book/etc. called "Main Page" is made and suddenly wants to be in that article page, then we no longer have the luxury of doing things at a reasonable pace. Then it really will be a big issue to update all of our internal links, and to hope that external links update quickly enough. If we're proactive about this, we might be saving ourselves a headache. At worst, like I said, we're at least being consistent.
MacGyverMagic/Mgm wrote:
And it still doesn't open up the page for any potential films, books or articles on anything else, because leaving a redirect is what we need to not kill incoming links from outside of Wikipedia. Mgm
Not immediately no, but it opens up the possibility of doing so in the future. After a year we can drop the redirect, since most/all of the external links will have updated. Those that haven't, well, a broken link or three isn't going to bring either Wikipedia or the internet at large to its knees. The reason I posted this idea was because the main three objections to moving appeared to be: 1) It will be too big a strain on the servers to move such a big page 2) It will be too much of a hassle to update internal links 3) It will be too much of a hassle to update external links
I think that if it came to it, we could enlist the help of devs or other technical wizardry to eliminate the hurdles of objection #1. Objection #2 has already been rebutted. I was taking aim at objection #3.
There isn't any wildly important reason to move Main_Page somewhere else, and I say again, it certainly isn't a terribly time-sensitive issue. But on the other hand, there don't seem to be any wildly important reasons to _not_ move Main_Page, other than things being too much of a hassle.
Cheers, - PeruvianLlama
It might be just me, but I don't think a movie or book titled "Main Page" would actually get sold to a editor or studio representative. Titles are key to drawing in an audience, and when someone came to me with that as a title, I'd ask them to change it.
Mgm
On 1/14/07, PeruvianLlama peruvianllama@gmail.com wrote:
Luna wrote:
Right. But since we're obviously going to need such a redirect, what do
we
gain from moving Main Page? It's a lot of work for...?
The idea would be that such a redirect would be temporary. The problem of having Main_Page in the namespace wouldn't be solved overnight, or even in a matter of days. But at least it would be solved a year (or 6 months, or whatever) down the road. That's a long time, but like I said, I haven't seen anyone claiming that this is really any kind of an immediate worry. It's just a good idea for the sake of long-term consistency.
If we wait until the movie/book/etc. called "Main Page" is made and suddenly wants to be in that article page, then we no longer have the luxury of doing things at a reasonable pace. Then it really will be a big issue to update all of our internal links, and to hope that external links update quickly enough. If we're proactive about this, we might be saving ourselves a headache. At worst, like I said, we're at least being consistent.
MacGyverMagic/Mgm wrote:
And it still doesn't open up the page for any potential films, books or articles on anything else, because leaving a redirect is what we need to
not
kill incoming links from outside of Wikipedia. Mgm
Not immediately no, but it opens up the possibility of doing so in the future. After a year we can drop the redirect, since most/all of the external links will have updated. Those that haven't, well, a broken link or three isn't going to bring either Wikipedia or the internet at large to its knees. The reason I posted this idea was because the main three objections to moving appeared to be:
- It will be too big a strain on the servers to move such a big page
- It will be too much of a hassle to update internal links
- It will be too much of a hassle to update external links
I think that if it came to it, we could enlist the help of devs or other technical wizardry to eliminate the hurdles of objection #1. Objection #2 has already been rebutted. I was taking aim at objection #3.
There isn't any wildly important reason to move Main_Page somewhere else, and I say again, it certainly isn't a terribly time-sensitive issue. But on the other hand, there don't seem to be any wildly important reasons to _not_ move Main_Page, other than things being too much of a hassle.
Cheers,
- PeruvianLlama
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Anyway, we can always create these articles as [[Main Page (book)]], [[Main Page (film)]] and so on. It really is a non-issue - there's no definite reason to move our Main Page.
Jm2p...
On 1/15/07, MacGyverMagic/Mgm macgyvermagic@gmail.com wrote:
It might be just me, but I don't think a movie or book titled "Main Page" would actually get sold to a editor or studio representative. Titles are key to drawing in an audience, and when someone came to me with that as a title, I'd ask them to change it.
Mgm
On 1/14/07, PeruvianLlama peruvianllama@gmail.com wrote:
Luna wrote:
Right. But since we're obviously going to need such a redirect, what do
we
gain from moving Main Page? It's a lot of work for...?
The idea would be that such a redirect would be temporary. The problem of having Main_Page in the namespace wouldn't be solved overnight, or even in a matter of days. But at least it would be solved a year (or 6 months, or whatever) down the road. That's a long time, but like I said, I haven't seen anyone claiming that this is really any kind of an immediate worry. It's just a good idea for the sake of long-term consistency.
If we wait until the movie/book/etc. called "Main Page" is made and suddenly wants to be in that article page, then we no longer have the luxury of doing things at a reasonable pace. Then it really will be a big issue to update all of our internal links, and to hope that external links update quickly enough. If we're proactive about this, we might be saving ourselves a headache. At worst, like I said, we're at least being consistent.
MacGyverMagic/Mgm wrote:
And it still doesn't open up the page for any potential films, books or articles on anything else, because leaving a redirect is what we need to
not
kill incoming links from outside of Wikipedia. Mgm
Not immediately no, but it opens up the possibility of doing so in the future. After a year we can drop the redirect, since most/all of the external links will have updated. Those that haven't, well, a broken link or three isn't going to bring either Wikipedia or the internet at large to its knees. The reason I posted this idea was because the main three objections to moving appeared to be:
- It will be too big a strain on the servers to move such a big page
- It will be too much of a hassle to update internal links
- It will be too much of a hassle to update external links
I think that if it came to it, we could enlist the help of devs or other technical wizardry to eliminate the hurdles of objection #1. Objection #2 has already been rebutted. I was taking aim at objection #3.
There isn't any wildly important reason to move Main_Page somewhere else, and I say again, it certainly isn't a terribly time-sensitive issue. But on the other hand, there don't seem to be any wildly important reasons to _not_ move Main_Page, other than things being too much of a hassle.
Cheers,
- PeruvianLlama
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Gary Kirk schreef:
Anyway, we can always create these articles as [[Main Page (book)]], [[Main Page (film)]] and so on. It really is a non-issue - there's no definite reason to move our Main Page.
No we can't. Nobody would find those articles, except if we put a dab notice at the top of our front page. And we do not want that.
As soon as there is something that really should go at [[Main Page]] (as a proper article), the main page will have to be moved, and the internal links should be changed.
For those external links that link directly to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, there should be a dab notice at the top of [[Main Page]], pointing at [[Portal:Main Page]], which is not ideal, but acceptable.
This is all irrespective of when the page is moved. There is no real advantage in moving it now, especially when the probability of the need of a Main Page article is low.
Eugene
Indeed. Keep it the way it is now. There's no harm being done anyway.
On 1/15/07, Gary Kirk gary.kirk@gmail.com wrote:
Anyway, we can always create these articles as [[Main Page (book)]], [[Main Page (film)]] and so on. It really is a non-issue - there's no definite reason to move our Main Page.
Jm2p...
On 1/15/07, MacGyverMagic/Mgm macgyvermagic@gmail.com wrote:
It might be just me, but I don't think a movie or book titled "Main
Page"
would actually get sold to a editor or studio representative. Titles are
key
to drawing in an audience, and when someone came to me with that as a
title,
I'd ask them to change it.
Mgm
On 1/14/07, PeruvianLlama peruvianllama@gmail.com wrote:
Luna wrote:
Right. But since we're obviously going to need such a redirect, what
do
we
gain from moving Main Page? It's a lot of work for...?
The idea would be that such a redirect would be temporary. The problem of having Main_Page in the namespace wouldn't be solved overnight, or even in a matter of days. But at least it would be solved a year (or 6 months, or whatever) down the road. That's a long time, but like I
said,
I haven't seen anyone claiming that this is really any kind of an immediate worry. It's just a good idea for the sake of long-term consistency.
If we wait until the movie/book/etc. called "Main Page" is made and suddenly wants to be in that article page, then we no longer have the luxury of doing things at a reasonable pace. Then it really will be a big issue to update all of our internal links, and to hope that
external
links update quickly enough. If we're proactive about this, we might
be
saving ourselves a headache. At worst, like I said, we're at least
being
consistent.
MacGyverMagic/Mgm wrote:
And it still doesn't open up the page for any potential films, books
or
articles on anything else, because leaving a redirect is what we
need to
not
kill incoming links from outside of Wikipedia. Mgm
Not immediately no, but it opens up the possibility of doing so in the future. After a year we can drop the redirect, since most/all of the external links will have updated. Those that haven't, well, a broken link or three isn't going to bring either Wikipedia or the internet at large to its knees. The reason I posted this idea was because the main three objections to moving appeared to be:
- It will be too big a strain on the servers to move such a big page
- It will be too much of a hassle to update internal links
- It will be too much of a hassle to update external links
I think that if it came to it, we could enlist the help of devs or
other
technical wizardry to eliminate the hurdles of objection #1. Objection #2 has already been rebutted. I was taking aim at objection #3.
There isn't any wildly important reason to move Main_Page somewhere else, and I say again, it certainly isn't a terribly time-sensitive issue. But on the other hand, there don't seem to be any wildly important reasons to _not_ move Main_Page, other than things being too much of a hassle.
Cheers,
- PeruvianLlama
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Frankly speaking, "Main Page" sounds very foolish.
Apparently "Today's Top Page" or "Today's Page" is better than "Main Page".
"Main Page" is, therefore, very harmful to the reliability of all admins (except Mgm and someone) and all Wikimedia Projects.
So, I think, "Change it, however difficult, as soon as you can".
Sincerly
Peter Rocky7
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:53:51 -0500, Pilotguy pilotguy.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Indeed. Keep it the way it is now. There's no harm being done anyway.
On 1/15/07, Gary Kirk gary.kirk@gmail.com wrote:
Anyway, we can always create these articles as [[Main Page (book)]], [[Main Page (film)]] and so on. It really is a non-issue - there's no definite reason to move our Main Page.
Jm2p...
On 1/15/07, MacGyverMagic/Mgm macgyvermagic@gmail.com wrote:
It might be just me, but I don't think a movie or book titled "Main
Page"
would actually get sold to a editor or studio representative. Titles
are
key
to drawing in an audience, and when someone came to me with that as a
title,
I'd ask them to change it.
Mgm
On 1/14/07, PeruvianLlama peruvianllama@gmail.com wrote:
Luna wrote:
Right. But since we're obviously going to need such a redirect,
what
do
we
gain from moving Main Page? It's a lot of work for...?
The idea would be that such a redirect would be temporary. The
problem
of having Main_Page in the namespace wouldn't be solved overnight,
or
even in a matter of days. But at least it would be solved a year
(or 6
months, or whatever) down the road. That's a long time, but like I
said,
I haven't seen anyone claiming that this is really any kind of an immediate worry. It's just a good idea for the sake of long-term consistency.
If we wait until the movie/book/etc. called "Main Page" is made and suddenly wants to be in that article page, then we no longer have
the
luxury of doing things at a reasonable pace. Then it really will be
a
big issue to update all of our internal links, and to hope that
external
links update quickly enough. If we're proactive about this, we
might
be
saving ourselves a headache. At worst, like I said, we're at least
being
consistent.
MacGyverMagic/Mgm wrote:
And it still doesn't open up the page for any potential films,
books
or
articles on anything else, because leaving a redirect is what we
need to
not
kill incoming links from outside of Wikipedia. Mgm
Not immediately no, but it opens up the possibility of doing so in
the
future. After a year we can drop the redirect, since most/all of
the
external links will have updated. Those that haven't, well, a
broken
link or three isn't going to bring either Wikipedia or the internet
at
large to its knees. The reason I posted this idea was because the
main
three objections to moving appeared to be:
- It will be too big a strain on the servers to move such a big
page
- It will be too much of a hassle to update internal links
- It will be too much of a hassle to update external links
I think that if it came to it, we could enlist the help of devs or
other
technical wizardry to eliminate the hurdles of objection #1.
Objection
#2 has already been rebutted. I was taking aim at objection #3.
There isn't any wildly important reason to move Main_Page somewhere else, and I say again, it certainly isn't a terribly time-sensitive issue. But on the other hand, there don't seem to be any wildly important reasons to _not_ move Main_Page, other than things being
too
much of a hassle.
Cheers,
- PeruvianLlama
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On 1/16/07, Rocky7 Peter freudianjungianp@hotmail.com wrote:
Frankly speaking, "Main Page" sounds very foolish.
Apparently "Today's Top Page" or "Today's Page" is better than "Main Page".
"Main Page" is, therefore, very harmful to the reliability of all admins (except Mgm and someone) and all Wikimedia Projects.
So, I think, "Change it, however difficult, as soon as you can".
Sincerly
Peter Rocky7
Ummm... what?! I think you're entirely missing the point; "reliability of all admins"? I have no idea how moving it to "Today's Page" will affect my reliability.
The entire idea of moving the page is absurd.
Glen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Glen_S
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:53:51 -0500, Pilotguy pilotguy.wikipedia@gmail.com
wrote:
Indeed. Keep it the way it is now. There's no harm being done anyway.
On 1/15/07, Gary Kirk gary.kirk@gmail.com wrote:
Anyway, we can always create these articles as [[Main Page (book)]], [[Main Page (film)]] and so on. It really is a non-issue - there's no definite reason to move our Main Page.
Jm2p...
On 1/15/07, MacGyverMagic/Mgm macgyvermagic@gmail.com wrote:
It might be just me, but I don't think a movie or book titled "Main
Page"
would actually get sold to a editor or studio representative. Titles
are
key
to drawing in an audience, and when someone came to me with that as
a
title,
I'd ask them to change it.
Mgm
On 1/14/07, PeruvianLlama peruvianllama@gmail.com wrote:
Luna wrote:
Right. But since we're obviously going to need such a redirect,
what
do
we
gain from moving Main Page? It's a lot of work for...?
The idea would be that such a redirect would be temporary. The
problem
of having Main_Page in the namespace wouldn't be solved overnight,
or
even in a matter of days. But at least it would be solved a year
(or 6
months, or whatever) down the road. That's a long time, but like I
said,
I haven't seen anyone claiming that this is really any kind of an immediate worry. It's just a good idea for the sake of long-term consistency.
If we wait until the movie/book/etc. called "Main Page" is made
and
suddenly wants to be in that article page, then we no longer have
the
luxury of doing things at a reasonable pace. Then it really will
be a
big issue to update all of our internal links, and to hope that
external
links update quickly enough. If we're proactive about this, we
might
be
saving ourselves a headache. At worst, like I said, we're at least
being
consistent.
MacGyverMagic/Mgm wrote:
And it still doesn't open up the page for any potential films,
books
or
articles on anything else, because leaving a redirect is what we
need to
not
kill incoming links from outside of Wikipedia. Mgm
Not immediately no, but it opens up the possibility of doing so in
the
future. After a year we can drop the redirect, since most/all of
the
external links will have updated. Those that haven't, well, a
broken
link or three isn't going to bring either Wikipedia or the
internet at
large to its knees. The reason I posted this idea was because the
main
three objections to moving appeared to be:
- It will be too big a strain on the servers to move such a big
page
- It will be too much of a hassle to update internal links
- It will be too much of a hassle to update external links
I think that if it came to it, we could enlist the help of devs or
other
technical wizardry to eliminate the hurdles of objection #1.
Objection
#2 has already been rebutted. I was taking aim at objection #3.
There isn't any wildly important reason to move Main_Page
somewhere
else, and I say again, it certainly isn't a terribly
time-sensitive
issue. But on the other hand, there don't seem to be any wildly important reasons to _not_ move Main_Page, other than things being
too
much of a hassle.
Cheers,
- PeruvianLlama
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MacGyverMagic/Mgm wrote:
It might be just me, but I don't think a movie or book titled "Main Page" would actually get sold to a editor or studio representative. Titles are key to drawing in an audience, and when someone came to me with that as a title, I'd ask them to change it.
It is just you. There have been very famous bands called "The Who", and "The Band". There have been both a movie and a song called "The Thing". "Main" has already appeared in numerous movie titles like "Main Street" and "Main Event", and even more often as a word in another language. "Page" has a higher proportion of English names in movies. There's "Front Page", "Page 3", "Home Page", "Last Page", "Runt Page", "Back Page", "Blank Page", "Blotted Page", "Page Me", "Paging Page Two", "Picture Page", "Page Turners", "Entertainment Page", and of course "Betty Page: Bondage Queen" and many others.
Changing the title is one option. An effective marketting campaign is another. :-)
Ec
PeruvianLlama wrote:
The reason I posted this idea was because the main three objections to moving appeared to be:
- It will be too big a strain on the servers to move such a big page
- It will be too much of a hassle to update internal links
- It will be too much of a hassle to update external links
I think that if it came to it, we could enlist the help of devs or other technical wizardry to eliminate the hurdles of objection #1. Objection #2 has already been rebutted. I was taking aim at objection #3.
Your response opens up 4) It will be too big a strain on the devs to develop the technical wizardry; they may already have higher priority tasks.
There isn't any wildly important reason to move Main_Page somewhere else
That's the stronges argument you give.
Ec
Ray Saintonge wrote:
PeruvianLlama wrote:
There isn't any wildly important reason to move Main_Page somewhere else
That's the stronges argument you give.
Ec
I'm fine with the Main_Page being moved. I'm fine with the Main_Page being left where it is. It seemed odd however that the strongest arguments against moving the page didn't add up to much (to wit, the counter-arguments were themselves inconsistent), or so it seemed to me. Consensus on the list and on the Talk: page seems to be well in favour of maintaining the status-quo though, so all is well.
Cheers, - PeruvianLlama
On 14/01/07, Christopher Thieme cdthieme@gmail.com wrote:
I love how the Main Page is listed as "Main page" on the left-hand-side navigation bar.
Also, anyone who claims repairing the links to Main Page would be insane and take years, could probably just send out a bot to do it in a matter of a few days (at most). It's such a specious b.s. claim, that whoever said it first and those who perpetuate such b.s., in the words of Garfield, "should be dragged out in the street and shot."
Sure, we can correct all the internal links in a snap, even just with doing it by hand. Correcting all the internal links from elsewhere on Foundation projects... maybe a day to hunt them all down.
But we can't do a damn thing about the millions of external links inbound to our site. We can't do a thing about the thousands of *printed* references to that URL. These are the ones we need to worry about, not the internal ones...
On 1/13/07, Christopher Thieme cdthieme@gmail.com wrote:
I love how the Main Page is listed as "Main page" on the left-hand-side navigation bar.
Also, anyone who claims repairing the links to Main Page would be insane and take years, could probably just send out a bot to do it in a matter of a few days (at most). It's such a specious b.s. claim, that whoever said it first and those who perpetuate such b.s., in the words of Garfield, "should be dragged out in the street and shot."
Regards, Christopher D. Thieme
I don't think the process wonks are getting the idea. Moving the page for the sake of moving it is not a good reason. Especially some of the semi-stupid proposals, like "putting" the main page at http://en.wikipedia.org (which Brion said is not possible). In this case, IAR and let it stay. Trying to enforse the "rules" on the main page is nothing short of distruption to make a point (WP:POINT).
Royalguard11 wrote:
I don't think the process wonks are getting the idea. Moving the page for the sake of moving it is not a good reason. Especially some of the semi-stupid proposals, like "putting" the main page at http://en.wikipedia.org (which Brion said is not possible). In this case, IAR and let it stay. Trying to enforse the "rules" on the main page is nothing short of distruption to make a point (WP:POINT).
http://en.wikipedia.org may be out, but I'm pretty sure it would be possible to put it at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ (or, in wikilink notation, [[]]). Not easy, mind you, but with enough hard work, stubborn determination and a big hammer, I'm sure it could be done.
As a convenient side effect, we'd also gain the ability to have, say, a project page named [[Wikipedia:]]. Perhaps we could move the Community Portal there..?
(I can just hear the screams now...)