-----Original Message----- From: David Gerard [mailto:dgerard@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 01:29 PM To: 'English Wikipedia' Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Harassment sites
On 16/10/2007, Steve Summit scs@eskimo.com wrote:
We are not, I hope, asking harassed editors to have a thick skin, to ignore the harassment, to ignore it and hope it will go away. *BUT*, if a harassed editor's skin is so papery thin that a single link to some external harassment, inserted for reference in a non-article-space discussion of that harassment, is construed by that editor as cause for further anguish, I'm not sure what we can do for that editor. In particular: in the process of discussing (not ignoring) the harassment and formulating plans to minimize or eliminate it, we're going to have to talk about it, and we're going to have to include links where relevant, because links are as vital in web-based discourse as bibliographic references are on paper.
We have to recognise that in the present discussion, the degree of sensitivity has in fact reached the stage of actually being community *versus* encyclopedia content.
- d.
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Supporting our users and protecting them from harassment is just part of our ongoing operation, kind of like keeping air in your tires if you're going to ride a bicycle.
Fred
-----Original Message----- From: David Gerard [mailto:dgerard@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 01:29 PM To: 'English Wikipedia' Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Harassment sites
On 16/10/2007, Steve Summit scs@eskimo.com wrote:
We are not, I hope, asking harassed editors to have a thick skin, to ignore the harassment, to ignore it and hope it will go away. *BUT*, if a harassed editor's skin is so papery thin that a single link to some external harassment, inserted for reference in a non-article-space discussion of that harassment, is construed by that editor as cause for further anguish, I'm not sure what we can do for that editor. In particular: in the process of discussing (not ignoring) the harassment and formulating plans to minimize or eliminate it, we're going to have to talk about it, and we're going to have to include links where relevant, because links are as vital in web-based discourse as bibliographic references are on paper.
We have to recognise that in the present discussion, the degree of sensitivity has in fact reached the stage of actually being community *versus* encyclopedia content.
- d.
Supporting our users and protecting them from harassment is just part of our ongoing operation, kind of like keeping air in your tires if you're going to ride a bicycle.
Fred
:-)
Marc
Quoting fredbaud@waterwiki.info:
-----Original Message----- From: David Gerard [mailto:dgerard@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 01:29 PM To: 'English Wikipedia' Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Harassment sites
On 16/10/2007, Steve Summit scs@eskimo.com wrote:
We are not, I hope, asking harassed editors to have a thick skin, to ignore the harassment, to ignore it and hope it will go away. *BUT*, if a harassed editor's skin is so papery thin that a single link to some external harassment, inserted for reference in a non-article-space discussion of that harassment, is construed by that editor as cause for further anguish, I'm not sure what we can do for that editor. In particular: in the process of discussing (not ignoring) the harassment and formulating plans to minimize or eliminate it, we're going to have to talk about it, and we're going to have to include links where relevant, because links are as vital in web-based discourse as bibliographic references are on paper.
We have to recognise that in the present discussion, the degree of sensitivity has in fact reached the stage of actually being community *versus* encyclopedia content.
- d.
Supporting our users and protecting them from harassment is just part of our ongoing operation, kind of like keeping air in your tires if you're going to ride a bicycle.
Fred
But we don't take melt down the bicycle frame to make a new airpump for the tires. (I may be stretching this analogy too far).