Why have you banned me from the mailing list again.
Of course with no explanation. Just a continuation of the high kacking of wikipedia by fools and idiots. Who are quety happy to pervert the system to there won ends.
There in general cowardly actions are hidden behind a human sheild of wikipedia users.
Interms of social skills what does it say about someone who annony mously Yours
John Bradley
Loc: Flat 15/22 Gambier Terrace, Liverpool, L1 7BL, UK. Phone: +44 (0)151 708 7238 Email: john@ontobus.co.uk WWW: www.ontobus.co.uk
For a banned from the mailing list... you appear quite present...
Anthere
John Bradley a écrit:
Why have you banned me from the mailing list again.
Of course with no explanation. Just a continuation of the high kacking of wikipedia by fools and idiots. Who are quety happy to pervert the system to there won ends.
There in general cowardly actions are hidden behind a human sheild of wikipedia users.
Interms of social skills what does it say about someone who annony mously Yours
John BradleyLoc: Flat 15/22 Gambier Terrace, Liverpool, L1 7BL, UK. Phone: +44 (0)151 708 7238 Email: john@ontobus.co.uk WWW: www.ontobus.co.uk
It might have something to with the tone of your posts. Calling people "fools and idiots" is a personal attack. If you find your ban so unfair, why don't you simply appeal to Jimbo. If you're right, he'll overturn the decision. Complaining on the mailing lists only causes people to be annoyed.
--Mgm
On 4/27/05, Anthere anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
For a banned from the mailing list... you appear quite present...
Anthere
John Bradley a écrit:
Why have you banned me from the mailing list again.
Of course with no explanation. Just a continuation of the high kacking of wikipedia by fools and idiots. Who are quety happy to pervert the system to there won ends.
There in general cowardly actions are hidden behind a human sheild of wikipedia users.
Interms of social skills what does it say about someone who annony mously Yours
John BradleyLoc: Flat 15/22 Gambier Terrace, Liverpool, L1 7BL, UK. Phone: +44 (0)151 708 7238 Email: john@ontobus.co.uk WWW: www.ontobus.co.uk
WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
The more interesting question, to me, is why you've come back again to a list that has made it clear that you're not wanted. I'd respond to the rest of your e-mail, but it was sufficiently incoherent.
Well, except for the part of there being no explanation. Perhaps you haven't noticed the general explanation for your sanction. See, you write abusive messages both via e-mail and on Wikipedia. You delete or yell at any attempts to discuss your behavior with you. You were given a chance to reflect and reform by Jimbo. You proceeded to launch more personal attacks, and the arbcom, to their credit, only gave you a three month ban anyway.
Instead of backing off and recognizing that you've been pissing people off, and that you're the only one who sees what's happened to you as a grave injustice, you went to the mailing list and began sending incoherent screeds. When you got banned, again, you failed to recognize that there was a point that you could get, and you returned.
And I'm sure, if you respond to this, it'll be with a flame. But, hell, why not try again. The simple fact of what's been going wrong for you is that your inability to take any clue, whether mildly or bluntly phrased, and recognize that your behavior is inappropriate. The fact that your reactions to these clues is to behave inappropriately aggravates the situation.
But if you want to, you know, get and stay unbanned, not repeating the behavior that got you banned would be a wise start.
-Snowspinner
On Apr 27, 2005, at 6:13 AM, John Bradley wrote:
Why have you banned me from the mailing list again.
Of course with no explanation. Just a continuation of the high kacking of wikipedia by fools and idiots. Who are quety happy to pervert the system to there won ends.
There in general cowardly actions are hidden behind a human sheild of wikipedia users.
Interms of social skills what does it say about someone who annony mously Yours
John BradleyLoc: Flat 15/22 Gambier Terrace, Liverpool, L1 7BL, UK. Phone: +44 (0)151 708 7238 Email: john@ontobus.co.uk WWW: www.ontobus.co.uk
WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
I posted a msg in this thread about having a page deleted while I am banned. It has deterirated from there as people insisting the subject is the edit ban on Wikipedia, see the mail from MacGyverMagic/Mgm. Tackling some of these post is the issue.
The anthropomorphizing of the list is also a problem.
From: Phil Sandifer sandifer@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] BAn Date sent: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 07:41:16 -0500 To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Send reply to: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org mailto:wikien-l-request@Wikipedia.org?subject=unsubscribe mailto:wikien-l-request@Wikipedia.org?subject=subscribe
The more interesting question, to me, is why you've come back again to a list that has made it clear that you're not wanted. I'd respond to the rest of your e-mail, but it was sufficiently incoherent.
Well, except for the part of there being no explanation. Perhaps you haven't noticed the general explanation for your sanction. See, you write abusive messages both via e-mail and on Wikipedia. You delete or yell at any attempts to discuss your behavior with you. You were given a chance to reflect and reform by Jimbo. You proceeded to launch more personal attacks, and the arbcom, to their credit, only gave you a three month ban anyway.
Instead of backing off and recognizing that you've been pissing people off, and that you're the only one who sees what's happened to you as a grave injustice, you went to the mailing list and began sending incoherent screeds. When you got banned, again, you failed to recognize that there was a point that you could get, and you returned.
And I'm sure, if you respond to this, it'll be with a flame. But, hell, why not try again. The simple fact of what's been going wrong for you is that your inability to take any clue, whether mildly or bluntly phrased, and recognize that your behavior is inappropriate. The fact that your reactions to these clues is to behave inappropriately aggravates the situation.
But if you want to, you know, get and stay unbanned, not repeating the behavior that got you banned would be a wise start.
-Snowspinner
On Apr 27, 2005, at 6:13 AM, John Bradley wrote:
Why have you banned me from the mailing list again.
Of course with no explanation. Just a continuation of the high kacking of wikipedia by fools and idiots. Who are quety happy to pervert the system to there won ends.
There in general cowardly actions are hidden behind a human sheild of wikipedia users.
Interms of social skills what does it say about someone who annony mously Yours
John BradleyLoc: Flat 15/22 Gambier Terrace, Liverpool, L1 7BL, UK. Phone: +44 (0)151 708 7238 Email: john@ontobus.co.uk WWW: www.ontobus.co.uk
WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Yours
John Bradley
Loc: Flat 15/22 Gambier Terrace, Liverpool, L1 7BL, UK. Phone: +44 (0)151 708 7238 Email: john@ontobus.co.uk WWW: www.ontobus.co.uk
You were banned from the mailing list yet continue to post. If sockpuppeting was treated the same of the mailing list, i'd expect you'd be banned again. "Troll" springs to mind. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bradley" john@ontobus.co.uk To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] BAn
I posted a msg in this thread about having a page deleted while I am banned. It has deterirated from there as people insisting the subject is
the
edit ban on Wikipedia, see the mail from MacGyverMagic/Mgm. Tackling some of these post is the issue.
The anthropomorphizing of the list is also a problem.
From: Phil Sandifer sandifer@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] BAn Date sent: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 07:41:16 -0500 To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Send reply to: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org mailto:wikien-l-request@Wikipedia.org?subject=unsubscribe mailto:wikien-l-request@Wikipedia.org?subject=subscribe
The more interesting question, to me, is why you've come back again to a list that has made it clear that you're not wanted. I'd respond to the rest of your e-mail, but it was sufficiently incoherent.
Well, except for the part of there being no explanation. Perhaps you haven't noticed the general explanation for your sanction. See, you write abusive messages both via e-mail and on Wikipedia. You delete or yell at any attempts to discuss your behavior with you. You were given a chance to reflect and reform by Jimbo. You proceeded to launch more personal attacks, and the arbcom, to their credit, only gave you a three month ban anyway.
Instead of backing off and recognizing that you've been pissing people off, and that you're the only one who sees what's happened to you as a grave injustice, you went to the mailing list and began sending incoherent screeds. When you got banned, again, you failed to recognize that there was a point that you could get, and you returned.
And I'm sure, if you respond to this, it'll be with a flame. But, hell, why not try again. The simple fact of what's been going wrong for you is that your inability to take any clue, whether mildly or bluntly phrased, and recognize that your behavior is inappropriate. The fact that your reactions to these clues is to behave inappropriately aggravates the situation.
But if you want to, you know, get and stay unbanned, not repeating the behavior that got you banned would be a wise start.
-Snowspinner
On Apr 27, 2005, at 6:13 AM, John Bradley wrote:
Why have you banned me from the mailing list again.
Of course with no explanation. Just a continuation of the high kacking of wikipedia by fools and idiots. Who are quety happy to pervert the system to there won ends.
There in general cowardly actions are hidden behind a human sheild of wikipedia users.
Interms of social skills what does it say about someone who annony mously Yours
John Bradley
Loc: Flat 15/22 Gambier Terrace, Liverpool, L1 7BL, UK. Phone: +44 (0)151 708 7238 Email: john@ontobus.co.uk WWW: www.ontobus.co.uk
WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Yours
John Bradley
Loc: Flat 15/22 Gambier Terrace, Liverpool, L1 7BL, UK. Phone: +44 (0)151 708 7238 Email: john@ontobus.co.uk WWW: www.ontobus.co.uk
WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Hi I have been accused by David Gerard of being the number, for some reason. This is more to do with Gerard continued harasment of me (User Irate) and his need to appear to be protected you lot from things you do not understand. Her is the news it is Gerard that does not understand anything excpect manipulation. Vote any way you like but don't vote gerard.
Yours
John Bradley
Loc: Flat 15/22 Gambier Terrace, Liverpool, L1 7BL, UK. Phone: +44 (0)151 708 7238 Email: john@ontobus.co.uk WWW: www.ontobus.co.uk
John Bradley (Johnb@ontobus.co.uk) [050516 00:59]:
Hi I have been accused by David Gerard of being the number, for some reason. This is more to do with Gerard continued harasment of me (User Irate) and his need to appear to be protected you lot from things you do not understand. Her is the news it is Gerard that does not understand anything excpect manipulation. Vote any way you like but don't vote gerard.
Should I ever run for anything, I eagerly hope for Irate to continue to tell people not to vote for me.
(The "continued harrassment" appears to be blocking him on #wikipedia for impersonating me on IRC. Apparently Tim Starling should never have been given admin powers either, for blocking him for the same reason on #wikimedia-tech. Goodness!)
- d.
How did you get on the arbcomm then?
Note Gerrard avoids mentioning his accusation of me being [[User:The_Number]]. that you claim to have checked the address range. It is fairly typical of the kind of manipulation Gerard like to go for.
I didn't impersonate you. I put a 2 after the name. I did not claim to be you. It was you who decided to claim it was an attempt to impersonate you.
Though of course in your world, the little children of the Wiki need protecting and your the man to do it.
Date sent: Mon, 16 May 2005 01:05:20 +1000 To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Don't vote Gerard. From: David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au Send reply to: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org mailto:wikien-l-request@Wikipedia.org?subject=unsubscribe mailto:wikien-l-request@Wikipedia.org?subject=subscribe
John Bradley (Johnb@ontobus.co.uk) [050516 00:59]:
Hi I have been accused by David Gerard of being the number, for some reason. This is more to do with Gerard continued harasment of me (User Irate) and his need to appear to be protected you lot from things you do not understand. Her is the news it is Gerard that does not understand anything excpect manipulation. Vote any way you like but don't vote gerard.
Should I ever run for anything, I eagerly hope for Irate to continue to tell people not to vote for me.
(The "continued harrassment" appears to be blocking him on #wikipedia for impersonating me on IRC. Apparently Tim Starling should never have been given admin powers either, for blocking him for the same reason on #wikimedia-tech. Goodness!)
- d.
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Yours
John Bradley
Loc: Flat 15/22 Gambier Terrace, Liverpool, L1 7BL, UK. Phone: +44 (0)151 708 7238 Email: john@ontobus.co.uk WWW: www.ontobus.co.uk
Aren't you banned yet? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bradley" Johnb@ontobus.co.uk To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Don't vote Gerard.
How did you get on the arbcomm then?
Note Gerrard avoids mentioning his accusation of me being [[User:The_Number]]. that you claim to have checked the address range. It is fairly typical of the kind of manipulation Gerard like to go for.
I didn't impersonate you. I put a 2 after the name. I did not claim to be
you.
It was you who decided to claim it was an attempt to impersonate you.
Though of course in your world, the little children of the Wiki need protecting and your the man to do it.
Date sent: Mon, 16 May 2005 01:05:20 +1000 To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Don't vote Gerard. From: David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au Send reply to: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org mailto:wikien-l-request@Wikipedia.org?subject=unsubscribe mailto:wikien-l-request@Wikipedia.org?subject=subscribe
John Bradley (Johnb@ontobus.co.uk) [050516 00:59]:
Hi I have been accused by David Gerard of being the number, for some reason. This is more to do with Gerard continued harasment of me (User Irate) and his need to appear to be protected you lot from things you
do not
understand. Her is the news it is Gerard that does not understand
anything
excpect manipulation. Vote any way you like but don't vote gerard.
Should I ever run for anything, I eagerly hope for Irate to continue to tell people not to vote for me.
(The "continued harrassment" appears to be blocking him on #wikipedia
for
impersonating me on IRC. Apparently Tim Starling should never have been given admin powers either, for blocking him for the same reason on #wikimedia-tech. Goodness!)
- d.
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Yours
John Bradley
Loc: Flat 15/22 Gambier Terrace, Liverpool, L1 7BL, UK. Phone: +44 (0)151 708 7238 Email: john@ontobus.co.uk WWW: www.ontobus.co.uk
WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
David 'DJ' Hedley wrote:
Aren't you banned yet? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bradley" Johnb@ontobus.co.uk
He's been banned from wikien-l a few times. He's using email addresses from domains that he owns, I've now blocked the domains. Of course we can expect to see him again, he's obviously committed. Email addresses are not hard to come by.
-- Tim Starling
John Bradley stated for the record:
Hi I have been accused by David Gerard of being the number, for some reason. This is more to do with Gerard continued harasment of me (User Irate) and his need to appear to be protected you lot from things you do not understand. Her is the news it is Gerard that does not understand anything excpect manipulation. Vote any way you like but don't vote gerard.
I state with great solemnity and no sarcasm whatsoever that your endorsement is quite influential. I will certainly bear it in mind if Gerard ever appears in an election. Thank you for publishing it -- your opinion of people is important to me.
I can only hope that one day you will endorse me with the same sort of terms.
On Sun, 15 May 2005, John Bradley wrote:
Vote any way you like but don't vote gerard.
I'm puzzled at this. Didn't the UK elections end last week? And AFAIK, there are no elections in Australia (which is David's home country), so unless David is running against John Bolton for US Ambassador to the UN (the only vote I know of that's impending), what office exactly *is* David Gerard running/standing for?
(And if David is running against Bolton, he can't do any worse of a job than that wacko. Then again, John Bradley probably could do a better job as UN Ambassador than Bolton.)
Geoff
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Geoff Burling wrote:
On Sun, 15 May 2005, John Bradley wrote:
Vote any way you like but don't vote gerard.
I'm puzzled at this. Didn't the UK elections end last week? And AFAIK, there are no elections in Australia (which is David's home country), so unless David is running against John Bolton for US Ambassador to the UN (the only vote I know of that's impending), what office exactly *is* David Gerard running/standing for?
Supreme Overlord of Earth, of course.
- -- Alphax GnuPG key: 0xF874C613 - http://tinyurl.com/8mpg9 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.' - C. S. Lewis
On 4/27/05, John Bradley john@ontobus.co.uk wrote:
The anthropomorphizing of the list is also a problem.
Sorry, but I can't help but laugh at that one!
~~~~ Violet/Riga
Violet/Riga wrote:
On 4/27/05, John Bradley john@ontobus.co.uk wrote:
The anthropomorphizing of the list is also a problem.
Sorry, but I can't help but laugh at that one!
Yeah, that cracked me up too!
Maybe we should all be a little bit more animal-like? :))