Message: 11 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:39:26 +0000 From: Guy Chapman aka JzG guy.chapman@spamcop.net Subject: [WikiEN-l] From admin noticeboard To: wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Message-ID: mevo125lvq43bj1bh16o4fr6gilbf5nu3t@4ax.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
==Libel against Wikipedia and Jimbo==
Hi, an article defaming Wikipedia is spreading across the internet. [http://thailandesl.chazzsongs.net/internet.wiki.htm You can read it at the bottom of this link.] The article's author, [[Judi McLeod]] implies that Wikipedia is connected to and takes its orders from [[Kofi Annan]]. She also claims that Wikipedia removed information from the [[Kofi Annan]] page at Kofi Annan's request. According to her, the article had claimed Annan's father was a freemason....
The tone of the article doesn't give me much hope that she is someone who is interested in reason and proof.
Joyous
Hi,
Actually, this is the classic antisemitic conspiracy theory linking Jews and Freemasons in a vast age-old plot. This was the theme of the hoax document, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
See:
http://www.publiceye.org/tooclose/masons.html http://www.publiceye.org/tooclose/protocol.html
The author also is complaining that Wiki entries critical of Holocaust denial are part of the conspiracy of Jews.
See:
http://judicial-inc.biz/wikipedia_supplement.htm#Fredrick%20Tobens%20comment...
This is really nasty stuff.
Cberlet aka Chip Berlet Political Research Associates www.publiceye.org
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==Libel against Wikipedia and Jimbo==
Hi, an article defaming Wikipedia is spreading across the internet. [http://thailandesl.chazzsongs.net/internet.wiki.htm You can read it at the bottom of this link.] The article's author, [[Judi McLeod]] implies that Wikipedia is connected to and takes its orders from [[Kofi Annan]]. She also claims that Wikipedia removed information from the [[Kofi Annan]] page at Kofi Annan's request. According to her, the article had claimed Annan's father was a freemason....
<<SNIP>>
If anyone can proof Annan's father was a freemason, I'd be happy to post it, but somehow I doubt any such proof exists. Just conspiracy nuts. I'm ignoring here...
On 3/18/06, Chip Berlet c.berlet@publiceye.org wrote:
Hi,
Actually, this is the classic antisemitic conspiracy theory linking Jews and Freemasons in a vast age-old plot. This was the theme of the hoax document, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
See:
http://www.publiceye.org/tooclose/masons.html http://www.publiceye.org/tooclose/protocol.html
The author also is complaining that Wiki entries critical of Holocaust denial are part of the conspiracy of Jews.
See:
http://judicial-inc.biz/wikipedia_supplement.htm#Fredrick%20Tobens%20comment...
This is really nasty stuff.
Cberlet aka Chip Berlet Political Research Associates www.publiceye.org
From: wikien-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org on behalf of Joy S Sent: Sat 3/18/2006 4:56 PM To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: [WikiEN-l] Libel against Wikipedia and Jimbo
Message: 11 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:39:26 +0000 From: Guy Chapman aka JzG guy.chapman@spamcop.net Subject: [WikiEN-l] From admin noticeboard To: wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Message-ID: mevo125lvq43bj1bh16o4fr6gilbf5nu3t@4ax.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
==Libel against Wikipedia and Jimbo==
Hi, an article defaming Wikipedia is spreading across the internet. [http://thailandesl.chazzsongs.net/internet.wiki.htm You can read it at the bottom of this link.] The article's author, [[Judi McLeod]] implies that Wikipedia is connected to and takes its orders from [[Kofi Annan]]. She also claims that Wikipedia removed information from the [[Kofi Annan]] page at Kofi Annan's request. According to her, the article had claimed Annan's father was a freemason....
<<SNIP>>
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On 3/18/06, Chip Berlet c.berlet@publiceye.org wrote: <snip>
The author also is complaining that Wiki entries critical of Holocaust denial are part of the conspiracy of Jews.
See:
http://judicial-inc.biz/wikipedia_supplement.htm#Fredrick%20Tobens%20comment...
This is really nasty stuff.
Am I crazy or are they violating the GFDL in that link? I mean they publish a few complete articles without mentioning the authours and without providing the text of the GFDL. God, it would be sweet to sue these assholes (pardon me' french). Can't we atleast send a Jack Thompson-esque threatening letter?
--Oskar
Oskar Sigvardsson wrote:
On 3/18/06, Chip Berlet c.berlet@publiceye.org wrote:
<snip>
The author also is complaining that Wiki entries critical of Holocaust denial are part of the conspiracy of Jews.
See:
http://judicial-inc.biz/wikipedia_supplement.htm#Fredrick%20Tobens%20comment...
This is really nasty stuff.
Am I crazy or are they violating the GFDL in that link? I mean they publish a few complete articles without mentioning the authours and without providing the text of the GFDL. God, it would be sweet to sue these assholes (pardon me' french). Can't we atleast send a Jack Thompson-esque threatening letter?
They'd probably claim "fair use" for commentary purposes.
On 3/19/06, Alphax (Wikipedia email) alphasigmax@gmail.com wrote:
Oskar Sigvardsson wrote:
Am I crazy or are they violating the GFDL in that link? I mean they publish a few complete articles without mentioning the authours and without providing the text of the GFDL. God, it would be sweet to sue these assholes (pardon me' french). Can't we atleast send a Jack Thompson-esque threatening letter?
They'd probably claim "fair use" for commentary purposes.
1. They're probably quoting a little too much to be termed "fair use".
but
2. We have credibility, they don't.
Wikimedia Foundation shouldn't sue them for the same reason a guy in a nice house wearing nice clothes and with a reputation for fairness doesn't go out in the yard with a shotgun and blast a dog for shitting on his lawn.
Tony Sidaway wrote:
On 3/19/06, Alphax (Wikipedia email) alphasigmax@gmail.com wrote:
Oskar Sigvardsson wrote:
Am I crazy or are they violating the GFDL in that link? I mean they publish a few complete articles without mentioning the authours and without providing the text of the GFDL. God, it would be sweet to sue these assholes (pardon me' french). Can't we atleast send a Jack Thompson-esque threatening letter?
They'd probably claim "fair use" for commentary purposes.
- They're probably quoting a little too much to be termed "fair use".
but
- We have credibility, they don't.
Wikimedia Foundation shouldn't sue them for the same reason a guy in a nice house wearing nice clothes and with a reputation for fairness doesn't go out in the yard with a shotgun and blast a dog for shitting on his lawn.
Oops... *buries remains*
On 3/18/06, Chip Berlet c.berlet@publiceye.org wrote:
Hi,
Actually, this is the classic antisemitic conspiracy theory linking Jews and Freemasons in a vast age-old plot. This was the theme of the hoax document, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
See:
http://www.publiceye.org/tooclose/masons.html http://www.publiceye.org/tooclose/protocol.html
The author also is complaining that Wiki entries critical of Holocaust denial are part of the conspiracy of Jews.
See:
http://judicial-inc.biz/wikipedia_supplement.htm#Fredrick%20Tobens%20comment...
This is really nasty stuff.
Cberlet aka Chip Berlet Political Research Associates www.publiceye.org
Let's examine the latest Political Research Associates shenanigans. On March 10 Anon 71.193.216.103 did as follows:
01:21, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Jeffrey Dahmer 01:15, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Sean Hannity (→Anti-Hannity) 01:10, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Osama bin Laden 01:09, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Pat Robertson 01:08, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Jerry Falwell (→External links) 01:06, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Ann Coulter (→External links) 01:00, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Tom DeLay 00:59, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Saddam Hussein 00:52, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) David Irving 00:47, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Ted Bundy
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=7...
What do Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy have in common? They no longer are in [[Category:controversial people]].
Who has taken their place? Holocaust denier David Irving, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Sean Hannity, and Ann Coulter. This is really nasty stuff.
Hi,
There is no connection between Political Research Associates and Anon 71.193.216.103 .
Please stop these pointless and false attacks.
-Cberlet
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From: wikien-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org on behalf of Rob Smith <<SNIP>>
Let's examine the latest Political Research Associates shenanigans. On March 10 Anon 71.193.216.103 did as follows:
01:21, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Jeffrey Dahmer 01:15, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Sean Hannity (?Anti-Hannity) 01:10, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Osama bin Laden 01:09, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Pat Robertson 01:08, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Jerry Falwell (?External links) 01:06, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Ann Coulter (?External links) 01:00, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Tom DeLay 00:59, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Saddam Hussein 00:52, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) David Irving 00:47, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Ted Bundy
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=7...
What do Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy have in common? They no longer are in [[Category:controversial people]].
Who has taken their place? Holocaust denier David Irving, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Sean Hannity, and Ann Coulter. This is really nasty stuff.
We actually have a category "Controversial people"? I have a hard time understanding how assigning someone to that category could be anything but POV.
Jay.
On 3/19/06, Rob Smith nobs03@gmail.com wrote:
On 3/18/06, Chip Berlet c.berlet@publiceye.org wrote:
Hi,
Actually, this is the classic antisemitic conspiracy theory linking Jews
and Freemasons in a vast age-old plot. This was the theme of the hoax document, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
See:
http://www.publiceye.org/tooclose/masons.html http://www.publiceye.org/tooclose/protocol.html
The author also is complaining that Wiki entries critical of Holocaust
denial are part of the conspiracy of Jews.
See:
http://judicial-inc.biz/wikipedia_supplement.htm#Fredrick%20Tobens%20comment...
This is really nasty stuff.
Cberlet aka Chip Berlet Political Research Associates www.publiceye.org
Let's examine the latest Political Research Associates shenanigans. On March 10 Anon 71.193.216.103 did as follows:
01:21, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Jeffrey Dahmer 01:15, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Sean Hannity (→Anti-Hannity) 01:10, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Osama bin Laden 01:09, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Pat Robertson 01:08, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Jerry Falwell (→External links) 01:06, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Ann Coulter (→External links) 01:00, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Tom DeLay 00:59, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Saddam Hussein 00:52, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) David Irving 00:47, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Ted Bundy
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=7...
What do Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy have in common? They no longer are in [[Category:controversial people]].
Who has taken their place? Holocaust denier David Irving, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Sean Hannity, and Ann Coulter. This is really nasty stuff. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
We *used* to have a category for controversial books -- reserved only for books that indeed generated large amounts of persistent and documentable controversy (Origin of Species, the Bell Curve, etc.), but unfortunately even that got nixed as being too POV (I disagree with that -- controversy does not in any way imply factual truth or untruth, and it is easy to document long-standing controversies). In any case, "controversial people" seems just as nebulous, if not even more so, so it'll probably go the way of the buffalo pretty soon itself, I reckon.
FF
On 3/20/06, jayjg jayjg99@gmail.com wrote:
We actually have a category "Controversial people"? I have a hard time understanding how assigning someone to that category could be anything but POV.
Jay.
On 3/19/06, Rob Smith nobs03@gmail.com wrote:
On 3/18/06, Chip Berlet c.berlet@publiceye.org wrote:
Hi,
Actually, this is the classic antisemitic conspiracy theory linking Jews
and Freemasons in a vast age-old plot. This was the theme of the hoax document, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
See:
http://www.publiceye.org/tooclose/masons.html http://www.publiceye.org/tooclose/protocol.html
The author also is complaining that Wiki entries critical of Holocaust
denial are part of the conspiracy of Jews.
See:
http://judicial-inc.biz/wikipedia_supplement.htm#Fredrick%20Tobens%20comment...
This is really nasty stuff.
Cberlet aka Chip Berlet Political Research Associates www.publiceye.org
Let's examine the latest Political Research Associates shenanigans. On March 10 Anon 71.193.216.103 did as follows:
01:21, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Jeffrey Dahmer 01:15, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Sean Hannity (→Anti-Hannity) 01:10, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Osama bin Laden 01:09, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Pat Robertson 01:08, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Jerry Falwell (→External links) 01:06, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Ann Coulter (→External links) 01:00, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Tom DeLay 00:59, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Saddam Hussein 00:52, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) David Irving 00:47, 10 March 2006 (hist) (diff) Ted Bundy
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=7...
What do Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy have in common? They no longer are in [[Category:controversial people]].
Who has taken their place? Holocaust denier David Irving, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Sean Hannity, and Ann Coulter. This is really nasty stuff. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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On Mar 20, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Fastfission wrote:
In any case, "controversial people" seems just as nebulous, if not even more so, so it'll probably go the way of the buffalo pretty soon itself, I reckon.
Buffalo aren't extinct; I had buffalo chili a few months ago, in fact. Assuming that you mean "bison", although I don't think Asian water buffalo are extinct either.
On 3/20/06, Philip Welch wikipedia@philwelch.net wrote:
On Mar 20, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Fastfission wrote:
In any case, "controversial people" seems just as nebulous, if not even more so, so it'll probably go the way of the buffalo pretty soon itself, I reckon.
Buffalo aren't extinct; I had buffalo chili a few months ago, in fact. Assuming that you mean "bison", although I don't think Asian water buffalo are extinct either.
This is Wikipedia. Bad ideas never go extinct, they just get relegated to a [[WP:LAME|few]] [[WP:BJAODN|preserves]].
-- Mark [[User:Carnildo]]
==Libel against Wikipedia and Jimbo==
Hi, an article defaming Wikipedia is spreading across the internet. [http://thailandesl.chazzsongs.net/internet.wiki.htm
Woot, I'm one of the "moderators" she chose to picture. So I'm part of the Jewish conspiracy now, awesome! Just another step towards world domination.
-- Stephen Bain stephen.bain@gmail.com