I think the distinction is between "neutrality" and "advice".
A neutral article /describes/ the various ways to make guacamole or to raise a child.
A How-To book gives /one author's/ advice about the "best" way to do something.
Are WikiBooks supposed to be communally-written?
Maybe Ed Poor can write a book about prayer and release it as a "free" text. But I'd probably like at least one copy of "Uncle Ed's Guide to a Happy Prayer Life" to remain intact at WikiBooks. If anyone wants to fork (and make their own, radically different text), they have my blessing.
I'd like to see a book of Anthere's recipes...
Ed Poor, aka Uncle Ed
I'd like to see a book of Anthere's recipes...
Ed Poor, aka Uncle Ed
That would be with pleasure that I offer you the recipee for the Pastilla I promised to Ponteauchat recently Ed.
However, I will not lose my time writing a recipee that will be immediatly listed on votes for deletion, and that will indeed be deleted, unless *I* make the effort to make a stub for it to preserve the link. The current proposition is that unless someone make a stub for it, the page will be deleted and no link to recipee preserved.
This is the current proposition
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk:Ratatouille&diff=2514708...
I am lucky, I went from "unique complainer" to "minority on the subject".
So, the proposition is that unless someone make the specific effort to save the article, it will be deleted and links not preserved.
I have a couple of options. * Either I spent several hours per week making stubs for recipees articles, in order to save them from deletionists. I dunno if it is the way I foresee my future in wikipedia;
* Or I undelete all deleted articles, till a compromise is found, or I end up in front of arbitration for abuse; somehow, that fits my personality better :-)
Anthere wrote:
However, I will not lose my time writing a recipee that will be immediatly listed on votes for deletion, and that will indeed be deleted, unless *I* make the effort to make a stub for it to preserve the link. The current proposition is that unless someone make a stub for it, the page will be deleted and no link to recipee preserved.
How I am supposed to cook a ratatouille after this poor stub when left out on a lonely planet with nothing but Wikipedia? (I took it with me because I thought it was a all-comprehensive encyclopedia and I'd need no other books)
Shit, I should have better taken the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy instead.
How are archeologues in 2000 years supposed to know how the old French cooked a ratatouille, if we don't tell them? Sorry, this is human knowledge and should not be left out of an encyclopedia.
greetings, elian
Anthere wrote:
I'd like to see a book of Anthere's recipes...
Ed Poor, aka Uncle Ed
That would be with pleasure that I offer you the recipee for the Pastilla I promised to Ponteauchat recently Ed.
If Ed contributed we would have a real Ant and Uncle Cookbook. :-)
However, I will not lose my time writing a recipee that will be immediatly listed on votes for deletion, and that will indeed be deleted, unless *I* make the effort to make a stub for it to preserve the link. The current proposition is that unless someone make a stub for it, the page will be deleted and no link to recipee preserved.
Ah!!! So they're back to their old tricks at the Vandals for Deletion page .
This is the current proposition
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk:Ratatouille&diff=2514708...
I am lucky, I went from "unique complainer" to "minority on the subject".
So, the proposition is that unless someone make the specific effort to save the article, it will be deleted and links not preserved.
Maybe it's up to the person complaining to make the changes. They should learn to do something useful, rather than just going around destroying other people's work. A lot of people have said keep, but they've moved the recipe anyway to create a fait accomplis
I have a couple of options.
- Either I spent several hours per week making stubs for recipees
articles, in order to save them from deletionists. I dunno if it is the way I foresee my future in wikipedia;
- Or I undelete all deleted articles, till a compromise is found, or I
end up in front of arbitration for abuse; somehow, that fits my personality better :-)
Undeleting would be most appropriate. There's a need to stand up to these bullies.
Ec
Ray Saintonge a écrit:
Anthere wrote:
I'd like to see a book of Anthere's recipes...
Ed Poor, aka Uncle Ed
That would be with pleasure that I offer you the recipee for the Pastilla I promised to Ponteauchat recently Ed.
If Ed contributed we would have a real Ant and Uncle Cookbook. :-)
We'll put bromide in all recipees...
However, I will not lose my time writing a recipee that will be immediatly listed on votes for deletion, and that will indeed be deleted, unless *I* make the effort to make a stub for it to preserve the link. The current proposition is that unless someone make a stub for it, the page will be deleted and no link to recipee preserved.
Ah!!! So they're back to their old tricks at the Vandals for Deletion page .
Yesssssssss
This is the current proposition
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk:Ratatouille&diff=2514708...
I am lucky, I went from "unique complainer" to "minority on the subject".
So, the proposition is that unless someone make the specific effort to save the article, it will be deleted and links not preserved.
Maybe it's up to the person complaining to make the changes. They should learn to do something useful, rather than just going around destroying other people's work. A lot of people have said keep, but they've moved the recipe anyway to create a fait accomplis
Yes, except that the vfd is a pot au feu, sorry, a pit fire. I never go there. How can I guess that deletionists are slowly, insidiously, sneakily, making all good recipes of serious honest food disappear, to make us all eat plastic steack when that is all that is left ?
Since the consensus is "delete, eat food raw, or buy a microwave to survive", I asked Erik a new feature that would warn me when vandalism over recipees is under way.
I have a couple of options.
- Either I spent several hours per week making stubs for recipees
articles, in order to save them from deletionists. I dunno if it is the way I foresee my future in wikipedia;
- Or I undelete all deleted articles, till a compromise is found, or I
end up in front of arbitration for abuse; somehow, that fits my personality better :-)
Undeleting would be most appropriate. There's a need to stand up to these bullies.
Ec
Anthere wrote:
This is the current proposition
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk:Ratatouille&diff=2514708...
I am lucky, I went from "unique complainer" to "minority on the subject".
So, the proposition is that unless someone make the specific effort to save the article, it will be deleted and links not preserved.
Maybe it's up to the person complaining to make the changes. They should learn to do something useful, rather than just going around destroying other people's work. A lot of people have said keep, but they've moved the recipe anyway to create a fait accompli
Yes, except that the vfd is a pot au feu, sorry, a pit fire. I never go there. How can I guess that deletionists are slowly, insidiously, sneakily, making all good recipes of serious honest food disappear, to make us all eat plastic steack when that is all that is left ?
Since the consensus is "delete, eat food raw, or buy a microwave to survive", I asked Erik a new feature that would warn me when vandalism over recipees is under way.
Forgive me if I vent my frustrations about the incrdible ignorance of the deletionists. I really haven't had anything to do with recipes, but I do believe that they quite properly belong in Wikipedia. I would be inclined to add more if I had any idea about the subject. If people want to start a systematic cookbook in Wikibooks I have no objection to that; it could even include some or all of the recipes that are in Wikipedia. That's no reason to delete them from Wikipedia.
I joined this project with the hope of being able to make constructive contributions. I would prefer doing that to looking over my shoulder to see where some gang wants to keep imposing its narrow views on everybody else. Those of us who would give the proposed deletions a fair consideration don't have the time to waste going over each one in the detail that they deserve. Unless people can view these proposed deletions fairly, any vote for deletion is essentially illegitimate.
Let me know, Anthere, if you need help in reverting these changes.
Ec
Ray Saintonge a écrit:
Let me know, Anthere, if you need help in reverting these changes.
Ec
well, thanks Ec :-) I'll see how it goes...I am very optimistic :-)
All involved are reasonable people. In case we need more reason(s)...your help will be appreciated :-)