Axel said
I don't think we should invent new bannable offenses,
we >should not invent those bannable offenses *after* the >offenses have occurred, and we should not initiate >punishment *before* the acts have occurred.
I have ended the temporary ban on RK.
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That is what I would call a community decision indeed. I suppose the opinion of all those insulted is totally irrelevant in this decision.
Anthere
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Ed Poor said
In light of comments from Erik (aka Eloquence), Axelboldt, Vicki R., Gutza, Abe, and I hope I haven't left anyone out...
Our next question is:
- Shall we set a date for ending the temporary ban?
Or,
- Shall we ask Jimbo to endorse a permanent ban?
Ed Poor
I would have thought I had said something above, by maybe I have just been dreaming what I wrote. Probably so.
Anyway, Ed, you question is irrelevant. Axel has decided the banning was bad and that is all about it.
Well; that won't do it.
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Fuck you sick Nazi bastards.
After Stevertigo was exposed for being a Nazi (and this was PROVEN, not alleged) you sick Nazi bastards began harassing me and vandalizing my home page. You lied about him and his edits, falsely accused me of saying things that SV wrote, and then attacked me?
Then you accuse ME of being a Nazi?
Then you harassed me on my own home page, and then BANNED me when I pointd out that such behaviour is wrong?
Never in my life I have ever seen such a community of violent Jew haters.
Nor, for that matter, such a bunch of cowardly Jews, who privately write me that they all agree with me, but publicly refuse to say their names.
Fine. You win. Nazipedia it is. I am gone. But from now on the word will *widely* spread about the violent anti-Semitism that Wikipedia encourages, the way that it allows Nazis free reign, and the way it bans those who speak out against hatespeech.
You've just bought yourselves bad publicity, and a well deserved reputation as a home for lying, leftist anti-Semites.
Goodbye.
Robert RK
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Fuck you sick Nazi bastards.
After Stevertigo was exposed for being a Nazi (and this was PROVEN, not alleged) you sick Nazi bastards began harassing me and vandalizing my home page. You lied about him and his edits, falsely accused me of saying things that SV wrote, and then attacked me?
Then you accuse ME of being a Nazi?
Then you harassed me on my own hom page, and then BANNED me when I pointd out that such behaviour is wrong?
Never in my life I have ever seen such a community of violent Jew haters.
Nor, for that matter, such a bunch of cowardly Jews, who privately write me that they all agree with me, but publicly refuse to say their names.
Fine. You win. Nazipedia it is. I am gone. But from now on the word will *widely* spread about the violent anti-Semitism that Wikipedia encourages, the way that it allows Nazis free reign, and the way it bans those who speak out against hatespeech.
You've just bought yourselves bad publicity, and a well deserved reputation as a home for lying, leftist anti-Semites.
Goodbye.
Robert RK
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Fuck you sick Nazi bastards.
After Stevertigo was exposed for being a Nazi (and this was PROVEN, not alleged) you sick Nazi bastards began harassing me and vandalizing my home page. You lied about him and his edits, falsely accused me of saying things that SV wrote, and then attacked me?
Then you accuse ME of being a Nazi?
Then you harassed me on my own hom page, and then BANNED me when I pointd out that such behaviour is wrong?
Never in my life I have ever seen such a community of violent Jew haters.
Nor, for that matter, such a bunch of cowardly Jews, who privately write me that they all agree with me, but publicly refuse to say their names.
Fine. You win. Nazipedia it is. I am gone. But from now on the word will *widely* spread about the violent anti-Semitism that Wikipedia encourages, the way that it allows Nazis free reign, and the way it bans those who speak out against hatespeech.
You've just bought yourselves bad publicity, and a well deserved reputation as a home for lying, leftist anti-Semites.
Goodbye.
Robert RK
----- Fuck you sick Nazi bastards.
After Stevertigo was exposed for being a Nazi (and this was PROVEN, not alleged) you sick Nazi bastards began harassing me and vandalizing my home page. You lied about him and his edits, falsely accused me of saying things that SV wrote, and then attacked me?
Then you accuse ME of being a Nazi?
Then you harassed me on my own hom page, and then BANNED me when I pointd out that such behaviour is wrong?
Never in my life I have ever seen such a community of violent Jew haters.
Nor, for that matter, such a bunch of cowardly Jews, who privately write me that they all agree with me, but publicly refuse to say their names.
Fine. You win. Nazipedia it is. I am gone. But from now on the word will *widely* spread about the violent anti-Semitism that Wikipedia encourages, the way that it allows Nazis free reign, and the way it bans those who speak out against hatespeech.
You've just bought yourselves bad publicity, and a well deserved reputation as a home for lying, leftist anti-Semites.
Goodbye.
Robert RK
----- Fuck you sick Nazi bastards.
After Stevertigo was exposed for being a Nazi (and this was PROVEN, not alleged) you sick Nazi bastards began harassing me and vandalizing my home page. You lied about him and his edits, falsely accused me of saying things that SV wrote, and then attacked me?
Then you accuse ME of being a Nazi?
Then you harassed me on my own hom page, and then BANNED me when I pointd out that such behaviour is wrong?
Never in my life I have ever seen such a community of violent Jew haters.
Nor, for that matter, such a bunch of cowardly Jews, who privately write me that they all agree with me, but publicly refuse to say their names.
Fine. You win. Nazipedia it is. I am gone. But from now on the word will *widely* spread about the violent anti-Semitism that Wikipedia encourages, the way that it allows Nazis free reign, and the way it bans those who speak out against hatespeech.
You've just bought yourselves bad publicity, and a well deserved reputation as a home for lying, leftist anti-Semites.
Goodbye.
Robert RK
-----
Fuck you sick Nazi bastards.
After Stevertigo was exposed for being a Nazi (and this was PROVEN, not alleged) you sick Nazi bastards began harassing me and vandalizing my home page. You lied about him and his edits, falsely accused me of saying things that SV wrote, and then attacked me?
Then you accuse ME of being a Nazi?
Then you harassed me on my own hom page, and then BANNED me when I pointd out that such behaviour is wrong?
Never in my life I have ever seen such a community of violent Jew haters.
Nor, for that matter, such a bunch of cowardly Jews, who privately write me that they all agree with me, but publicly refuse to say their names.
Fine. You win. Nazipedia it is. I am gone. But from now on the word will *widely* spread about the violent anti-Semitism that Wikipedia encourages, the way that it allows Nazis free reign, and the way it bans those who speak out against hatespeech.
You've just bought yourselves bad publicity, and a well deserved reputation as a home for lying, leftist anti-Semites.
Goodbye.
Robert RK
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At 10:22 AM 10/2/2003, you wrote:
I have ended the temporary ban on RK.
That is what I would call a community decision indeed. I suppose the opinion of all those insulted is totally irrelevant in this decision.
Anthere
For the record, if Axel hadn't unbanned him, I would have... and I support the banning of him in the first place. Here''s my reasoning:
*Banning/unbanning is largely irrelevant in this situation, RK certainly isn't coming back any time soon.
*Banning logged-in users is a temporary emergency step and the emergency has passed.
*Unbanning him in no way says that his behavior is acceptable, it merely respects our process.
We have no procedure to ban logged-in users for any specific length of time. The mandate is in an emergency to protect vandalism. Once the vandalism threat is over, there is no rationale to continue that form of ban. At this point, the weeks-long consensus that a ban should (or should not) occur takes place and then we have our democratic solution. Axel did not show disrespect to people who were insulted, he showed respect for the Wikipedia process that we all abide by. I disagree with Axel that he never should have been banned in the first place, that was an appropriate step to undertake given the situation. That's just my two cents.
----- Dante Alighieri dalighieri@digitalgrapefruit.com
"The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of great moral crisis." -Dante Alighieri, 1265-1321