For those who haven't been following the discussion on Talk: Votes for Deletion, I thought I'd drag this idea into the light of debate:
I agree that the VfD process is overused; look at the relatively high proportion of "keep" votes. Ideally, only pages that are relatively clear-cut cases would go here, with the rest being moved to cleanup or elsewhere. But the WikiMoney plan would harm new users, and also be quite complicated to use. Why not a better plan, such as:
Before any page can be listed on regular VfD, it must be listed on cleanup and left there for some time; I'm thinking two weeks, but this is negotiable. After that, it can be moved to VfD, and a vote can be held. Of course, the regular candidates for speedy deletion could go, and the copyvio delete page would be unaffected. Not only would this solve the overuse of VfD, it would also help stop the occasional listing on VfD of copyvios. And, it could be accomplished by simply placing a notice at the top of the VfD page, rather than encumbering everyone with a complicated system of WikiMoney, which might frighten newbies and irritate old hands.
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The WikiMoney plan was mostly humourous, as I said: "dont take it very seriously".
I agree to list pages first on Cleanup and then to VfD. For how much time would list the pages on Cleanup? I suggest to open a poll and let the community to vote on it. My vote is "same as VfD lag time", i.e. 5 days. But I don't really have any problem with the "2 weeks" suggestion.
--Optim
--- Dan Miller meelar2@yahoo.com wrote:
For those who haven't been following the discussion on Talk: Votes for Deletion, I thought I'd drag this idea into the light of debate:
I agree that the VfD process is overused; look at the relatively high proportion of "keep" votes. Ideally, only pages that are relatively clear-cut cases would go here, with the rest being moved to cleanup or elsewhere. But the WikiMoney plan would harm new users, and also be quite complicated to use. Why not a better plan, such as:
Before any page can be listed on regular VfD, it must be listed on cleanup and left there for some time; I'm thinking two weeks, but this is negotiable. After that, it can be moved to VfD, and a vote can be held. Of course, the regular candidates for speedy deletion could go, and the copyvio delete page would be unaffected. Not only would this solve the overuse of VfD, it would also help stop the occasional listing on VfD of copyvios. And, it could be accomplished by simply placing a notice at the top of the VfD page, rather than encumbering everyone with a complicated system of WikiMoney, which might frighten newbies and irritate old hands.
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Nikos-Optim wrote:
The WikiMoney plan was mostly humourous, as I said: "dont take it very seriously".
Regretably, when things are said tongue-in-cheek, some readers see the tongue as being in the wrong set of cheeks. :-)
I agree to list pages first on Cleanup and then to VfD. For how much time would list the pages on Cleanup? I suggest to open a poll and let the community to vote on it. My vote is "same as VfD lag time", i.e. 5 days. But I don't really have any problem with the "2 weeks" suggestion.
Where's the urgency for such short periods. People will work on these things when they have the time. A simple note at the top of the page will often be a sufficient warning about the nature of the problem. Rule makers sometimes forget that even if the problem article falls within a person's sphere of interest, the most valuable contributors are often busy with articles or projects of their own; they should feel no need to drop everything to take the time to properly research something that another person considers inadequate.
Periodically recycling the Cleanup list through people's attention could be more productive than pressure tactics.
Ec