While some people are quite good at diverting sensitive discussion toward whether or not certain editors are evil, or to questions about the mating habits of Jews, none of these things are relevant to my proposal.
As per the numerous quotes I listed, and the governments founded upon those concepts, general consensus amongst political philosophers is that truth, goodness, and beauty will all rise to the top in a system where equality is recognized and supported by the construct of government.
Even though equality is not recognized here at Wikipedia by administrators who think they have the right to punish other editors, it still exists in the form of "vandalism" and other methods of indirect expression. To the extent that editors believe there is no better method to influence the content of articles than consensus, vandalism will cease to exist.
The above is a bold statement that would require considerable risk to implement, but it is exactly the same concept that the founders of my country pledged their "Lives," "Fortunes," and "sacred Honor" to protect. I submit that my nation, the United States of America, is a success because they did so.
It is possible to write the programming code for Wikipedia so that no administrators are necessary and so that nobody can gain undue influence over an article. I would be happy to write this code for free if we can all agree that it will be implemented.
Zephram Stark zephramstark@yahoo.com 432-224-6991
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Zephram Stark wrote: <snip>
The above is a bold statement that would require considerable risk to implement, but it is exactly the same concept that the founders of my country pledged their "Lives," "Fortunes," and "sacred Honor" to protect. I submit that my nation, the United States of America, is a success because they did so.
I submit that trolls who have been banned from Wikipedia have no place on the mailing list, either.
On 9/23/05, Alphax alphasigmax@gmail.com wrote:
Zephram Stark wrote:
<snip> > The above is a bold statement that would require considerable risk to > implement, but it is exactly the same concept that the founders of my > country pledged their "Lives," "Fortunes," and "sacred Honor" to > protect. I submit that my nation, the United States of America, is a > success because they did so. >
I submit that trolls who have been banned from Wikipedia have no place on the mailing list, either.
As Michael Turley points out, Zephram isn't banned from Wikipedia. He's still editing as of today.
TD
Zephram Stark stated for the record:
The above is a bold statement that would require considerable risk to implement, but it is exactly the same concept that the founders of my country pledged their "Lives," "Fortunes," and "sacred Honor" to protect. I submit that my nation, the United States of America, is a success because they did so.
Ohhh ... invocation of American Framers ... must immediately stop thinking and mindlessly comply ....
It is possible to write the programming code for Wikipedia so that no administrators are necessary and so that nobody can gain undue influence over an article. I would be happy to write this code for free if we can all agree that it will be implemented.
<div id="trollfood"> We do not agree, so why don't you prove yourself by just forking off? I assure you, once your Utopipedia has eclipsed Wikipedia, we will come crawling to you on our knees begging you to let us bask in your brilliance. Until then, we'll stumble along in our blighted ignorance. </div>
On 9/23/05, Sean Barrett sean@epoptic.org wrote:
Zephram Stark stated for the record:
The above is a bold statement that would require considerable risk to implement, but it is exactly the same concept that the founders of my country pledged their "Lives," "Fortunes," and "sacred Honor" to protect. I submit that my nation, the United States of America, is a success because they did so.
Ohhh ... invocation of American Framers ... must immediately stop thinking and mindlessly comply ....
It is possible to write the programming code for Wikipedia so that no administrators are necessary and so that nobody can gain undue influence over an article. I would be happy to write this code for free if we can all agree that it will be implemented.
<div id="trollfood"> We do not agree, so why don't you prove yourself by just forking off? I assure you, once your Utopipedia has eclipsed Wikipedia, we will come crawling to you on our knees begging you to let us bask in your brilliance. Until then, we'll stumble along in our blighted ignorance. </div>
So the guy wants a more libertarian Wikipedia. So he's not very concise about stating his view. No big deal. It's also obvious that a consensus doesn't support his view, but in stating it, he hasn't hurt anyone.
I don't see the point of your response. It does no good at all.
"Courtesy in the face of any insult" is a useful concept. "Courtesy in the face of any troll" works well, too.
-- Michael Turley User:Unfocused
While I don't agree w his sympathy for vandals, I do agree that the position of admins is contrary to the project goals, and should be eliminated and replaced w something more meritocratic and efficient.
Jack (Sam Spade)