Tonight, I can't sleep. So, I go up again. I look at Wikipedia. I look at the DNA article and its talk page.
I see the result of yesterday unprotection. It looked so obvious to me what would happen. I think of private mails. I think of mediation failing. I think of arbitration request. Arbitration request rejected because not approved by Jimbo. I see those putting oil on the fire. I think of dispute resolution method as currently suggested.
I see what is gonna happen. Likely... unsysoping and soft ban, right ?
And later, since nothing will be solved, hard ban ?
So mechanical.
You sure there was nothing else to do than wait, without answering, without commenting, just wait till *that* happen ?
(shaking my head in disbelief) (listening to heavy silence)
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And feel so disheartened that I fail to send this to the right list :-)
There is no doubt in my mind that this needs to go to arbitration urgently. As far as I know the arbitration committee is still only taking referrals via Jimbo.
I believe Anthere has already asked Jimbo to refer it on, but in case she hasn't or in case he missed it: please Jimbo, can you refer the 168../ mav dispute to the arbitration committee urgently.
Thanks
sannse
Anthere wrote:
Tonight, I can't sleep. So, I go up again. I look at Wikipedia. I look at the DNA article and its talk page.
I see the result of yesterday unprotection. It looked so obvious to me what would happen. I think of private mails. I think of mediation failing. I think of arbitration request. Arbitration request rejected because not approved by Jimbo. I see those putting oil on the fire. I think of dispute resolution method as currently suggested.
I see what is gonna happen. Likely... unsysoping and soft ban, right ?
And later, since nothing will be solved, hard ban ?
So mechanical.
You sure there was nothing else to do than wait, without answering, without commenting, just wait till *that* happen ?
(shaking my head in disbelief) (listening to heavy silence)
And feel so disheartened that I fail to send this to the right list :-)
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Follow up to DNA conflict, I
* unprotected the DNA page to avoid it staying unavailable for too many months
* the first two paragraphs (the disputed part) are virtually protected.
* any edit made to the first two paragraphs will be reverted. The rest of the article is free for edition
* any edit made to the first two paragraphs will get the user soft banned (unless typo correction or similar move)
* if the user is a sysop and unban himself, it will be listed as sysop abuse
* I suggested to restart the discussion and individual propositions all over again. I do not think a majority vote has any value on an article page to the point a strong veto given by one of the main author may be just neglected. I don't think a couple of people repeating ad nauseam that this is the most approved version so the "right" one, while the vetoer reverts it on sight, is the right path for consensus decision making. Veto is something recognised in consensus.
* I suggest that, any user interested by the topic, tries to give a version or two that he would approved (and refrain from listing the allegably majority approved one, since this one is vetoed anyway) and try to do this in all independance of mind (ie, trying not to suit one or the other of the disputants deliberatly)
* I hope that when each participants has given one personal proposition, he will make effort to create other version from merging his and versions by other participants
* When some solutions are worked out, I suggest that all propositions are listed and that a vote takes place again. The voters may *only* be those who "participated" in the discussion and "proposed versions". Other votes will be removed. Those people late in the discussion will have the opportunity to participate in the next vote session. I will look for potential participants to the current discussion.
* No voluntary participation to that discussion and propositions, will signify the person is not interested in its outcome. This person will not be granted the right to revert the subsequent change that will be decided upon (in other words, if someone does not give propositions, and discuss with the others, does not participate to the vote, let a decision be taken without saying anything, then this user will not be granted the right to revert the article later on. Any reversion will grant a *ban* on this article).
* The vote will be in such a way, that any vote strongly against will remove the option from the list. Yes, I know it makes it more likely that no solution is found. Perhaps will that motivate people to try to find an acceptable solution for all
* Either people find an agreement, or these first paragraphs will stay uneditable for the months to come. I might even consider a rotation of the version every couple of weeks, so that no one version is prefered.
* The IP user who edited the first two paragraphs of the article will be automatically unbanned in about 23 hours.
* Any discussion over arbitration in Mav and 168 conflict is in Jimbo hands. Any discussion over further unsysoping or softbanning or hard banning of 168 or Lir, is to take place in other places than the current DNA talk page. I will remove any personal attack from that page.
* I changed my nick. I switched from sweetlittlefluffything to firmlittlefluffything