Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:49:01 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeff Raymond" jeff.raymond@internationalhouseofbacon.com Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Handling unreferenced but likely-valid material To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Message-ID: 4588.63.151.8.141.1165423741.squirrel@www.internationalhouseofbacon.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
"Jeff Raymond" jeff.raymond@internationalhouseofbacon.com wrote:
In the spirit of this, I did my own Special:Random sample of 30. I found:
Unsourced: 13 1 Working External link/reference: 6 Printed only: 2 Multiple References: 8
Of the 13 unsourced articles, 3 were lists (and I didn't check the articles they were linking to for sources) 9 stubs, and only one was a full-blown article lacking sourcing. I may be in a minority on this one, but I find unsourced stubs much less problematic than unsourced ''articles'', so my personal findings gave me a lot more hope than I thought.
-Jeff
Well, this was an interesting exercise. Out of a sample of 25 consecutive random articles:
9 had no sources whatsoever (well, one linked to a youtube video, but that is equivalent to no source at all)
2 I felt were *very* weakly sourced -- one fairly long article on a proprietary treatment listed only a self-published web site and an article of "research" published in an unrefereed journal--the other had a single link that did not provide any support for most of the article
9 were weakly sourced, in that I had little confidence that it would be able to verify more than a small fraction of the content with only the sources provided
4 appeared to be moderately well-sourced, in that there were multiple sources provided and reasonable confidence that much, if not all, of the content could be verified from the provided sources
Only 1 was really well-sourced, in that I had a pretty high confidence that nearly every detail in the article could be verified with the provided sources.
So 9/25 (36%) is unsourced or 44% if you include the very weakly sourced.
Of the 25, 11 were marked as stubs (a couple of the others probably qualified as stubs, possibly even for deletion). If we exclude the marked stubs, 4 remaining had no sources or 4/14 (29%).
I any case, no support for the 80% unsourced cannard.
Bkonrad
In an attempt to get past the issues regarding small sample sizes, I went and did a somewhat larger sampling of 100 articles. I skipped disambiguation pages. I separately counted number of links in any "external links" section, number of links and/or paper references listed in any "references" section, and any links or citations within the body of the article itself. I didn't actually examine the contents of the references.
Of the hundred articles, 40 had no links or references of any kind.
18 had only a single external link. In most of these cases the single external link was to some form of "official homepage" which might or might not survive scrutiny by a WP:RS fundamentalist as "self-published" information.
If you discount the "external links" section as references then the number of completely unreferenced articles jumps to 71. I didn't actually example the contents of the external links sections to see whether they were usable as references or if they were just the first couple of Google hits, I can imagine a wide range of opinion here.
2 articles had only a non-specific "parts of this article were from the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica" reference.
20 articles had inline citations.
So, from this one could say that somewhere in the vicinity of 40% are completely unsourced, at minimum.
==Raw data==
These are the articles I visited in my random walk and the reference counts I made at each, if anyone wants to double-check me or do any more advanced statistical fiddling (you may want to redo the "total" column since that was done by hand and not double-checked)
total, external links, non-inline references, inline citations, URL 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945_in_football_%28soccer%29 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1959_in_Zimbabwe 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Grand_Prix_motorcycle_racing_season 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_%28Lilo_%26_Stitch%29 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biathlon_at_the_1960_Winter_Olympics 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Bradley_%28composer/producer%29 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_sign 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Henry_%28basketball%29 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chage_and_Aska 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenging_Times 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Jamieson_%28Canadian_politician%29 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Binney 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_Kennedy%2C_4th_Earl_of_Cassilis 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glaze_%28painting_technique%29 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holland_III 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jebel_Dair 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Hill 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_Sports_Complex 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_In_The_So-Called_Space_Age 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ambassadors_from_the_United_Kingdom_to_... 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mineralogists 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_in_Caerphilly_county_borough 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_New_York_Bay 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_circle 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek_Zi%C3%B3%C5%82kowski 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Brydges_Bulldogs 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_and_Killing_in_Hell 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_%28absurdism%29 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_route_323 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhizospalax 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhythmic_Adult_Contemporary 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sar%C4%B1yah%C5%9Fi 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tequisquiapan 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibor_Sekelj 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulk_v._Moxhay 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Way_Moby_Polka 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Akin 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Brandon_%28author%29 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woss%2C_British_Columbia 0 0 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenia_%28automobile%29 1 0 0 1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Area%2C_San_Diego%2C_California 1 0 0 1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achefer 1 0 0 1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Taylor_%28rugby_league_footballer%29 1 0 1 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Canning%2C_1st_Earl_Canning 1 0 1 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_trials 1 1 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altenburg_Abbey 1 1 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Drinkwater 1 1 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congress_of_Ukrainian_Nationalists 1 1 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Abugatt%C3%A1s 1 1 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-enablement 1 1 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_DNA_Client 1 1 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMCS_St._John%27s_%28FFH_340%29 1 1 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_International_Mime_Festival 1 1 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mishima%2C_Niigata 1 1 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_Stanley_Capital_International 1 1 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagakute%2C_Aichi 1 1 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallels_%28TNG_episode%29 1 1 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pezinok 1 1 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyus_Gold 1 1 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulihora 1 1 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentencing_Project 1 1 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutherland%27s_Law 1 1 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Til-Til 2 0 0 2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Avon 2 0 0 2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial_of_St._Orange 2 0 2 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Forward%2C_Sr. 2 0 2 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramodon_ventralis 2 1 0 1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_and_Environmental_Research_Center 2 1 0 1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedyeh_Tehrani 2 1 1 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gennadiy_Aygi 2 2 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Trail 2 2 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilf_Kebir 2 2 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normanton_railway_station 2 2 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Sisters_%28Moscow%29 2 2 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apprentice_3_%28Episode_8%29 2 2 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worlingham 2 2 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yvonne_Arnaud 3 1 0 2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bessie_%28lake_monster%29 3 1 0 2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biffa_plc 3 2 0 1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Too_Wild_Too_Long 3 3 0 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Sunbird 3 3 0 0 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