We should require interwiki bot operators to
Know each language they operate their bot so that they can read and memorize each and every bot policy.
Expect them to watch and follow each and every talk page on every wiki. Require them to have 5-10 checks of these talk pages per day.
Wait several years (for the wiki to grow) before getting a bot flag.
Or would that be unreasonable?
Perhaps a unified standard bot policy is needed for mindless tasks like interwiki linking, double redirect fixing and commons delinking.
The interwiki bot policy would set the standard for these mindless tasks. Such a standard would let bot operators to operate more efficiently. Particularly the largest wikis and the smallest wikis are very aloof from such a standard.
Very small wikis often have a mini dictatorship by a few users (not referancing anybody spesific). Such small wikis generally have cooperative people but sometimes the wikis regulars do not understand what interwiki bots and botflags are about and why such are necessary.
Very large wikis often have overly complicated policies. For someone only interested in dealing with mindless bot tasks these pose an unnecessary bureaucracy. Due to the language barrier reading these policies alone can be quite a challenge.
- White Cat
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Is there an existing issue?
Jon
White Cat wrote:
We should require interwiki bot operators to
Know each language they operate their bot so that they can read and memorize each and every bot policy.
Expect them to watch and follow each and every talk page on every wiki. Require them to have 5-10 checks of these talk pages per day.
Wait several years (for the wiki to grow) before getting a bot flag.
Or would that be unreasonable?
Perhaps a unified standard bot policy is needed for mindless tasks like interwiki linking, double redirect fixing and commons delinking.
The interwiki bot policy would set the standard for these mindless tasks. Such a standard would let bot operators to operate more efficiently. Particularly the largest wikis and the smallest wikis are very aloof from such a standard.
Very small wikis often have a mini dictatorship by a few users (not referancing anybody spesific). Such small wikis generally have cooperative people but sometimes the wikis regulars do not understand what interwiki bots and botflags are about and why such are necessary.
Very large wikis often have overly complicated policies. For someone only interested in dealing with mindless bot tasks these pose an unnecessary bureaucracy. Due to the language barrier reading these policies alone can be quite a challenge.
- White Cat
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For people who operate bots on many wikis? Yes. For everyone else? They are rather ignorant to the problem.
Several wikis bot policy is incompatible with other wikis. Their policy is more restrictive. Seeking a local consensus on the matter is difficult for a person who does not understand the native language. In addition it would be easier for a community to adopt an interwiki standard rather than one persons opinion
Granting of a bot flag should not be based on a vote or some other subjective criteria. On en.wikipedia granting of the bot flag is explicitly stated not to be a vote. On some of the other wikis granting of the bot flag is explicitly a vote.
If possible test periods and individual bot flag requests for mindless stuff like interwiki-linking, double redirecting, or commonsdelinking should not be made a bureaucratic issue. Local communities should show a bit more understanding to bot operators.
- White Cat
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 5:51 AM, Jon scream@datascreamer.com wrote:
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Is there an existing issue?
Jon
White Cat wrote:
We should require interwiki bot operators to
Know each language they operate their bot so that they can read and
memorize
each and every bot policy.
Expect them to watch and follow each and every talk page on every wiki. Require them to have 5-10 checks of these talk pages per day.
Wait several years (for the wiki to grow) before getting a bot flag.
Or would that be unreasonable?
Perhaps a unified standard bot policy is needed for mindless tasks like interwiki linking, double redirect fixing and commons delinking.
The interwiki bot policy would set the standard for these mindless tasks. Such a standard would let bot operators to operate more efficiently. Particularly the largest wikis and the smallest wikis are very aloof from such a standard.
Very small wikis often have a mini dictatorship by a few users (not referancing anybody spesific). Such small wikis generally have
cooperative
people but sometimes the wikis regulars do not understand what interwiki bots and botflags are about and why such are necessary.
Very large wikis often have overly complicated policies. For someone only interested in dealing with mindless bot tasks these pose an unnecessary bureaucracy. Due to the language barrier reading these policies alone can
be
quite a challenge.
- White Cat
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Might be more appropriate for meta or foundation-l, since this topic seems to affect far more than just en.wikipedia
Agreed with Luna. I also think raising this with the current board candidates would be interesting.
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Luna lunasantin@gmail.com wrote:
Might be more appropriate for meta or foundation-l, since this topic seems to affect far more than just en.wikipedia _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Can someone forward it to foundation-l then?
- White Cat
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Alex G g1ggyman@gmail.com wrote:
Agreed with Luna. I also think raising this with the current board candidates would be interesting.
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Luna lunasantin@gmail.com wrote:
Might be more appropriate for meta or foundation-l, since this topic
seems
to affect far more than just en.wikipedia _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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2008/5/28 White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com:
We should require interwiki bot operators to
Know each language they operate their bot so that they can read and memorize each and every bot policy.
Expect them to watch and follow each and every talk page on every wiki. Require them to have 5-10 checks of these talk pages per day.
Wait several years (for the wiki to grow) before getting a bot flag.
Or would that be unreasonable?
...this does sound like a set of criteria that would guarantee we have no bots whatsoever.
(Memorise? Ahahahahah.)