http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/2516472/Wikipedia-entries-slag-off-Palmers...
Maybe I'm getting old and jaded, but when I read that the local council altered the Wikipedia article about their city to be more favourable, my reaction was "oh, good, that was the right thing to do". Heh.
I also particularly like the final line of the article.
Steve
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Steve Bennettstevagewp@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/2516472/Wikipedia-entries-slag-off-Palmers...
Maybe I'm getting old and jaded, but when I read that the local council altered the Wikipedia article about their city to be more favourable, my reaction was "oh, good, that was the right thing to do". Heh.
I also particularly like the final line of the article.
Worth quoting here:
"Wikipedia could not be reached for comment."
Carcharoth
It's like a BLP except that the subject isn't a person. The same problems come up--ultimately, if a city can't attract professionals because of a bad Wikipedia article, it's still real people being hurt in real-life ways by us. Just not one at a time. It's also like BLP in that the city's marginally notable and probably isn't on a lot of watchlists.
Maybe we should expand the BLP concept to include organizations, cities, etc.? Like BLP, it's most needed when the group is small. There won't be Biography of Living Organization problems on Coca-Cola any more than there will be BLP problems on Bill Gates. But BLO problems on small cities (or small companies, etc.) where the Wikipedia entry is the top search result, can wreak havoc.
Ken Arromdee wrote:
It's like a BLP except that the subject isn't a person. The same problems come up--ultimately, if a city can't attract professionals because of a bad Wikipedia article, it's still real people being hurt in real-life ways by us. Just not one at a time. It's also like BLP in that the city's marginally notable and probably isn't on a lot of watchlists.
Maybe we should expand the BLP concept to include organizations, cities, etc.? Like BLP, it's most needed when the group is small. There won't be Biography of Living Organization problems on Coca-Cola any more than there will be BLP problems on Bill Gates. But BLO problems on small cities (or small companies, etc.) where the Wikipedia entry is the top search result, can wreak havoc.
[[WP:UNDUE]] should cover this. I wouldn't want a BLP analogy to settlements, because most major cities tend to have crime, simply because of the opportunities that exist; but to have an analogous policy for all settlements would seem to be over-egging the pudding somewhat.
Ken Arromdee wrote:
It's like a BLP except that the subject isn't a person. The same problems come up--ultimately, if a city can't attract professionals because of a bad Wikipedia article, it's still real people being hurt in real-life ways by us. Just not one at a time. It's also like BLP in that the city's marginally notable and probably isn't on a lot of watchlists.
Maybe we should expand the BLP concept to include organizations, cities, etc.? Like BLP, it's most needed when the group is small. There won't be Biography of Living Organization problems on Coca-Cola any more than there will be BLP problems on Bill Gates. But BLO problems on small cities (or small companies, etc.) where the Wikipedia entry is the top search result, can wreak havoc.
I would call it AOSO, or Articles on Organizations Still in Operation.
Yours,
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Ken Arromdee wrote:
It's like a BLP except that the subject isn't a person. The same problems come up--ultimately, if a city can't attract professionals because of a bad Wikipedia article, it's still real people being hurt in real-life ways by us. Just not one at a time. It's also like BLP in that the city's marginally notable and probably isn't on a lot of watchlists.
Maybe we should expand the BLP concept to include organizations, cities, etc.? Like BLP, it's most needed when the group is small. There won't be Biography of Living Organization problems on Coca-Cola any more than there will be BLP problems on Bill Gates. But BLO problems on small cities (or small companies, etc.) where the Wikipedia entry is the top search result, can wreak havoc.
I would call it AOSO, or Articles on Organizations Still in Operation.
Yours,
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
The arbitration committee has held that the principles of Biographies of living persons apply to organizations:
Articles regarding ongoing enterprises
2) The principles of editing articles about ongoing enterprises are analogous to those which govern Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. As applied to this matter, unsourced or poorly sourced negative material may be removed without discussion, such removal being an exception to the 3 revert rule Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Remove_unsourced_criticism. This extension of policy is based on the proposition that any unsourced or poorly sourced negative material is potentially harmful.
Passed 6 to 0 at 14:24, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hunger#Artic...
However Wikipedia:Articles about ongoing enterprises failed to reach consensus.
Fred Bauder
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Fred Bauderfredbaud@fairpoint.net wrote:
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However Wikipedia:Articles about ongoing enterprises failed to reach consensus.
Wouldn't it have been simpler to include a paragraph in BLP (though that is rather big now)?
Carcharoth
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Fred Bauderfredbaud@fairpoint.net wrote:
<snip>
However Wikipedia:Articles about ongoing enterprises failed to reach consensus.
Wouldn't it have been simpler to include a paragraph in BLP (though that is rather big now)?
Carcharoth
What I did, and I originated the proposed policy, is include a sentence or two and a link to the proposed policy, combined with some mailing list posts.
Please finish the job, if you can. Clearly, business, organizations, and towns can also suffer both embarrassment and damages from libel and unfounded negative information.
Fred
Also, the way that ongoing enterprises page is written, it doesn't seem to be very meaningful for anything other than a company. For instance, an article about a city might be edited by a resident of the city, who isn't an employee or agent (and in general has a weaker conflict of interest, since a city can't fire its residents).
Also, the way that ongoing enterprises page is written, it doesn't seem to be very meaningful for anything other than a company. For instance, an article about a city might be edited by a resident of the city, who isn't an employee or agent (and in general has a weaker conflict of interest, since a city can't fire its residents).
That was the purpose for which it was written, but the same principles apply to other situations, if the choice is made to apply them. Sofixit...
Fred
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009, Fred Bauder wrote:
The arbitration committee has held that the principles of Biographies of living persons apply to organizations:
I thought that arbcom doesn't make policy, so its decision only applies to that particular case.
I'm just the court reporter...
I'm not sure what the decision would be in a similar case, although I would argue that the principles which underlie Biographies of living persons is the policy and are not limited to Biographies of living persons.
Fred
2009/6/26 Steve Bennett stevagewp@gmail.com:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/2516472/Wikipedia-entries-slag-off-Palmers...
Maybe I'm getting old and jaded, but when I read that the local council altered the Wikipedia article about their city to be more favourable, my reaction was "oh, good, that was the right thing to do". Heh.
I also particularly like the final line of the article.
The "Wikipedia could not be reached for comment." bit? That seems odd to me, I wonder who they tried to contact...
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
The "Wikipedia could not be reached for comment." bit? That seems odd to me, I wonder who they tried to contact...
Yeah. We actually do have processes for that. Without too much difficulty I reached http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contact_us and thus http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_room . I guess they tried press@ and didn't get a response in time. I guess.
Steve
Steve Bennett wrote:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/2516472/Wikipedia-entries-slag-off-Palmers...
Maybe I'm getting old and jaded, but when I read that the local council altered the Wikipedia article about their city to be more favourable, my reaction was "oh, good, that was the right thing to do". Heh.
You meant "neutral" of course ...
Charles
Might be a good idea for someone from ComCom to make outreach and find out who they attempted to contact.
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:39 AM, Charles Matthews < charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Steve Bennett wrote:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/2516472/Wikipedia-entries-slag-off-Palmers...
Maybe I'm getting old and jaded, but when I read that the local council altered the Wikipedia article about their city to be more favourable, my reaction was "oh, good, that was the right thing to do". Heh.
You meant "neutral" of course ...
Charles
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