On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:33:45 -0700, stevertigo wrote:
Wales, who was for a long time our most upstanding proponent of openness, and who made it a point to deal personally and openly with nearly every issue that came up - on this very list, as a matter of fact - would be quite unhappy with this trend.
What Would Jimbo Do?
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Daniel R. Tobiasdan@tobias.name wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:33:45 -0700, stevertigo wrote:
Wales, who was for a long time our most upstanding proponent of openness, and who made it a point to deal personally and openly with nearly every issue that came up - on this very list, as a matter of fact - would be quite unhappy with this trend.
What Would Jimbo Do?
He does have a point. Jimbo founding principles did have something about keeping mailing lists open. I would hope that this applies to foundation-l as much as wiki-en-l, which I believe predates the foundation mailing list.
Do we have a mailing list historian around here? I know I could look back at the earliest archives, but a personal touch would be nice if there are any, ahem, *real* dinosaurs around here. Any of the 2001 crew still subscribed?
Carcharoth
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Carcharothcarcharothwp@googlemail.com wrote:
He does have a point. Jimbo founding principles did have something about keeping mailing lists open. I would hope that this applies to foundation-l as much as wiki-en-l, which I believe predates the foundation mailing list.
Do we have a mailing list historian around here? I know I could look back at the earliest archives, but a personal touch would be nice if there are any, ahem, *real* dinosaurs around here. Any of the 2001 crew still subscribed?
I don't think we necessarily need any historians, dinosaurs, or other oldbies other than the ones we've got. I've been around since '02 - not really posting to wikien-l until '03 (sort of didn't like the idea). You're an oldbie as well, I well know. And not to mention, in '01 to mid-late '02, Larry was still around, and Jimbo's approach to Wikipedia was more detached and casual. Sanger did a lot of the early designing. Wales then came along and did a lot of the founding. Much of it, appropriately, on principles of openness and transparency.
Much has changed for the worse now - what with Jimbo retired and out of the picture.
-Stevertigo
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:50 AM, stevertigostvrtg@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Carcharothcarcharothwp@googlemail.com wrote:
He does have a point. Jimbo founding principles did have something about keeping mailing lists open. I would hope that this applies to foundation-l as much as wiki-en-l, which I believe predates the foundation mailing list.
Do we have a mailing list historian around here? I know I could look back at the earliest archives, but a personal touch would be nice if there are any, ahem, *real* dinosaurs around here. Any of the 2001 crew still subscribed?
I don't think we necessarily need any historians, dinosaurs, or other oldbies other than the ones we've got. I've been around since '02 - not really posting to wikien-l until '03 (sort of didn't like the idea). You're an oldbie as well, I well know.
Eh. I created my account in January 2005. That is over four years ago, and I suppose if one's time here has been longer than the age of the project when you arrived, that might mean something. Quite a scary thought actually. The real scary thought will be when people say "I can prove I'm over 18 because I've been editing for 18 years"! Or where you can see someone's age by how long they have been here for. I don't think it will quite ever get to the stage of "you must be a sock because your account was created over 130 years ago", though...
And not to mention, in '01 to mid-late '02, Larry was still around, and Jimbo's approach to Wikipedia was more detached and casual. Sanger did a lot of the early designing. Wales then came along and did a lot of the founding. Much of it, appropriately, on principles of openness and transparency.
Yes. A link here to those founding principles would be good:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales/Statement_of_principles
Much has changed for the worse now - what with Jimbo retired and out of the picture.
You might want to ask Jimbo his views on that. It could be a valid viewpoint, but I don't think describing Jimbo as "retired" is entirely accurate. If you want to ask him to reaffirm what his role is, then that could be useful (and for those who don't follow on-wiki stuff closely, that sort of thing has been happening in recent months and years).
Current "information page":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Role_of_Jimmy_Wales
Recent discussion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Role_of_Jimmy_Wales_in_th...
Carcharoth
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:05 AM, Carcharothcarcharothwp@googlemail.com wrote:
Eh. I created my account in January 2005.
Ah. '05 was the point I realized that people here were becoming corrupt and jaded. Myself included.
Yes. A link here to those founding principles would be good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales/Statement_of_principles
We have so many different principles lists now, I can't keep track.
You might want to ask Jimbo his views on that. It could be a valid viewpoint, but I don't think describing Jimbo as "retired" is entirely accurate.
I'm pretty sure it is. I mean he hasn't posted here in ages. This is after all the way he communicates with the people. And I thought he was going on some year-long off-the-grid sailing trip anyway - threw his satellite modem overboard and everything.
-Stevertigo